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[Chasingstars]

"Random tribe", Its literally one of the four books you read in 6.55. Just like the book that talks about popotos being brought from there or the other about alpacas over there.

As I mentioned before by digging into the JP version of the game, Turali is a language that was born from using the most common words around the world. Their entire language is loanwords.

Time is important.

Ketenramm sailed to the New World 1497, in 1498 he arrives in the new world and first meets with the mamool ja, in 1499 he first goes to the capital and gives the Mamool Ja silver as a gift, 1500 when he first arrived back to Limsa Lominsa.

We also know it took Ketenramm "two moons", aka 2 months, to get there in the first place. Which means he sailed in our equivalent of november and arrived in the new world on January. Then he took at least two months setting up a base camp with his crew and living there until he first met the mamool ja. Then he spent several moons there until he returned home.

In fact its only in 1500 when other sailors tried to sail to the new world as a new golden age for exploration. But it was a journey with a lot of danger and shipwrecks. Which would mean that while there is a potential trade route, there is no guarantee that a ship going to or coming from the new world would make it back. Ketenramm was the exception.

We the players are still in the year 1577, the same year where we beat up Gaius at his castrum. That what I am saying is if the language was born from trade, it would have been at the latest, 79 years ago based on his stay there, 78 if it was made the year they decided to have trade routes with Limsa. And this is just me being charitable. As the people of Tural are likely multi-lingual before if they could have, as according to Wuk Lamat, 80 Years of Peace.

Krille is 22. Krille's grandfather who got the letter is 60. The letter has faded writing. For inking to fade from paper that usually takes one or more decades. The letter was under a mess of paperwork and was basically shielded from direct sunlight, which sunlight, can cause inked writing on parchment to fade faster.

In fact it gets even easier to pin this point down:

1500: Ketenramm talked of the new world and inspired other sailors, however the waters are too dangerous for most.
1535: Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn is born.
1555: Merlwyb is now twenty and leads the League of Lost Bastards on a expedition into the new world.
1556: Merlwyb returns back to Limsa Lominsa, having discovered a safe passage to the new world.
1559: Merlwyb goes on another trade expedition into the new world, this time with an armed merchant armada.

Source - Encyclopedia Eoreza Volume 1

So since the first time there was a trade expedition was 1559, the new Turali language has an 18 year window as this is itself a pidgin language AKA a trade language. What makes a language a pidgin language is it can be built from words, sounds, or body language from a multitude of languages as well as onomatopoeia. And since Wuk Lamat states its a language from using "commonly used words around the globe" in the JP version of the game, it confirms its a pidgin language. Pidgin languages are not initially meant for writing, they are meant for merchants who are speaking with other cultures. Its not impossible for a pidgin language to develop into a fully fleshed out language, but it doesn't start out as one meant for writing.

EDIT: And since the letter is faded, that means it has 21 year window as that is the latest anyone else could safely travel to the new world.

EDIT 2: Also if trade expedition causes a language to be created within those 18 years, that means that people of the new world in the 80 Years of Peace were getting along just fine in being multilingual for at least 62 Years.

[MikkoAkure]

So since the first time there was a trade expedition was 1559

Ketenramm did multiple expeditions 80 years ago, not just one. It's said in one of the same books you were looking at:

Ketenramm would return to Tural several times

Merlwyb discovered the first safe passage west.

Considering he was there when the kingdom was created and Wuk Lamat said the language was created "some time ago", I took that all to mean that it was a part of the initial unification 80 years ago. The letter could very well be written by Ketenramm since we don't know when he died or when he stopped going west or even if he just stayed west.

Regardless, I would still say it could go either way on that town shown being Eorzean or Turali but I lean towards Turali since we know there's a Miqo prince, who could be the same prince as the one who has an interest in technology and has been to the Studium, and could be of the same people as the suspenders-wearing Miqo'te from the trailer and they could have been speaking Turali-Eorzean pidgin and had a script this whole time.

[Chasingstars]

Ketenramm did multiple expeditions 80 years ago, not just one. It's said in one of the same books you were looking at:


Merlwyb discovered the first safe passage west.

Considering he was there when the kingdom was created and Wuk Lamat said the language was created "some time ago", I took that all to mean that it was a part of the initial unification 80 years ago. The letter could very well be written by Ketenramm since we don't know when he died or when he stopped going west or even if he just stayed west.

Regardless, I would still say it could go either way on that town shown being Eorzean or Turali but I lean towards Turali since we know there's a Miqo prince, who could be the same prince as the one who has an interest in technology and has been to the Studium, and could be of the same people as the suspenders-wearing Miqo'te from the trailer and they could have been speaking Turali-Eorzean pidgin and had a script this whole time.

Yes but the book makes the distinction between an Expedition and a Trade Expedition. When Merlwyb first started charting this was just an expedition like Ketenramm's, the book then later notes 3 years after her charting she embarks on a Trade Expedition.

EDIT:

Over the Horizon (found in Gubal Library)

“Though there is some debate as to whether or not Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn and her League of Lost Bastards were the first Eorzeans to discover the western continent, there is no denying that their navigational charts were instrumental in establishing the major trade routes of today.

Moreover, the accounts from their expedition are widely regarded as both informative and entertaining. of particular note is their first encounter with the Mamool Ja, as well as other indigenous peoples and creatures which seemed curiously intent on their demise.

These travel journals have since inspired a legion of explorers and treasure hunters to retrace the League’s journey. Yet in spite of their numbers, the existence of a “bleedin’ city o’ gold” remains unconfirmed…”

EDIT 2: I do agree its probably gotten a pidgin written language now. As having major trade routes now and for 18 years likely caused the written and spoken tongue to radically change. And I do agree that its very possible that miqote at the studium and sharalyan itself were essentially bi-lingual in Turali and Eorezan. Which that is also evident with Erenville as he is bi-lingual.