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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    "Random tribe", Its literally one of the four books you read in 6.55. Just like the book that talks about popotos being brought from there or the other about alpacas over there.

    As I mentioned before by digging into the JP version of the game, Turali is a language that was born from using the most common words around the world. Their entire language is loanwords.

    Time is important.

    Ketenramm sailed to the New World 1497, in 1498 he arrives in the new world and first meets with the mamool ja, in 1499 he first goes to the capital and gives the Mamool Ja silver as a gift, 1500 when he first arrived back to Limsa Lominsa.

    We also know it took Ketenramm "two moons", aka 2 months, to get there in the first place. Which means he sailed in our equivalent of november and arrived in the new world on January. Then he took at least two months setting up a base camp with his crew and living there until he first met the mamool ja. Then he spent several moons there until he returned home.

    In fact its only in 1500 when other sailors tried to sail to the new world as a new golden age for exploration. But it was a journey with a lot of danger and shipwrecks. Which would mean that while there is a potential trade route, there is no guarantee that a ship going to or coming from the new world would make it back. Ketenramm was the exception.

    We the players are still in the year 1577, the same year where we beat up Gaius at his castrum. That what I am saying is if the language was born from trade, it would have been at the latest, 79 years ago based on his stay there, 78 if it was made the year they decided to have trade routes with Limsa. And this is just me being charitable. As the people of Tural are likely multi-lingual before if they could have, as according to Wuk Lamat, 80 Years of Peace.

    Krille is 22. Krille's grandfather who got the letter is 60. The letter has faded writing. For inking to fade from paper that usually takes one or more decades. The letter was under a mess of paperwork and was basically shielded from direct sunlight, which sunlight, can cause inked writing on parchment to fade faster.
    In fact it gets even easier to pin this point down:

    1500: Ketenramm talked of the new world and inspired other sailors, however the waters are too dangerous for most.
    1535: Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn is born.
    1555: Merlwyb is now twenty and leads the League of Lost Bastards on a expedition into the new world.
    1556: Merlwyb returns back to Limsa Lominsa, having discovered a safe passage to the new world.
    1559: Merlwyb goes on another trade expedition into the new world, this time with an armed merchant armada.

    Source - Encyclopedia Eoreza Volume 1

    So since the first time there was a trade expedition was 1559, the new Turali language has an 18 year window as this is itself a pidgin language AKA a trade language. What makes a language a pidgin language is it can be built from words, sounds, or body language from a multitude of languages as well as onomatopoeia. And since Wuk Lamat states its a language from using "commonly used words around the globe" in the JP version of the game, it confirms its a pidgin language. Pidgin languages are not initially meant for writing, they are meant for merchants who are speaking with other cultures. Its not impossible for a pidgin language to develop into a fully fleshed out language, but it doesn't start out as one meant for writing.

    EDIT: And since the letter is faded, that means it has 21 year window as that is the latest anyone else could safely travel to the new world.

    EDIT 2: Also if trade expedition causes a language to be created within those 18 years, that means that people of the new world in the 80 Years of Peace were getting along just fine in being multilingual for at least 62 Years.
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    Last edited by Chasingstars; 01-20-2024 at 06:02 AM. Reason: Oh yea the letter, also more on pidgin languages, and one more thing