[Feedback] Wuk Lamat's English Voice

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Of course there's not going to be any developer response. This is an English forum. The English mods, if they even read these posts are going to go "lol they're being problematic again" and just tell the Japanese side that everything is fine and that everyone LOVES what the English dubbing. As a consumer your opinion literally doesn't matter because people higher up hold the power.

So you made a post to complain, and then say it doesn't matter anyway.


And besides, there would have to be a lot more than like, 10 upset people on the forums to make changes that drastic.

[Karious]

It took a few people complaining on the forums for them to completely change the Gunbreaker SFX two weeks after ShB launch and made it objectively worse.

[Troxbark]

Source: your backside.

You're literally doing the same thing.

Not enough of them to affect change.

So no one should ever point out quality issues ever unless its guaranteed to change something?

Calling for trans VA to take on roles is not illegal or problematic.

"visible trans woman in anime & video games is still played by a cis woman who has shown no signs of ever stepping down" or "This is an endemic state of the VO industry."

That's not a call to take on roles, that's a call to as you've said, "oust" them.

no coverage of this criticism anywhere, no developer statements, no one in voice acting commenting, etc.

And this is where you go off the rails. You said other opinions do not exist but every time you attempt to dismiss them. You say that devs and VA community isn't complaining but why should they complain to begin with? It's the consumers who are impacted, it's the consumers right to complain. It's like saying a chef spit on your burger but its not a big deal because a restaurant across town isn't complaining about it and no food reviewer commented on it... Then the customers complain and you just say "well negative comments are more common so w/e". It's absolutely asinine you think random devs and other VA should weight in on this to warrant consumers complaining about the voice. I honestly think you're drunk when you made this comment.

is her accent a real accent or not? You guys flip flop like tuna on this subject. Which real accent is it?

Do you think the game director just created an accent for a VA to learn? Have they done that with ANY VA in the past? No. She's poorly mimicking a real world accent. No one here has flip flopped, a bad accent is a bad accent, period. If you want to call it a brand new and fictional accent, then go ahead but guess what? That's still a bad accent.

If you don't want her ousted then js your ultimate goal to let us know you don't like the VA? If so ignore my ramblings I should have said "See you in DawnTrail lol".

Nearly everyones goal is to have a higher quality VA work on DT release, whether that is through an unlikely replacement (because we all know her lines are already recorded this close to the release date) or her self improvement (also unlikely because she clearly isn't accepting criticism). The most likely result would be for higher quality control on the next hire so poor performing VA don't make it past the audition stage.

I can always tell when my post has triggered someone. It's all the quotes. Like...why.

Hate to tell you this but it's because you're incredibly incoherent and can't keep an argument straight. You cycle through a dozen excuses and random arguments when you're replying to a singular point. It says "triggered" more for you than it does me because only agitated people reply like that. I'm giving you the courtesy of replying specifically to all and using quotes to make it neat and quite frankly, readable. You're welcome.

[Vyrerus]

Of course there's not going to be any developer response. This is an English forum. The English mods, if they even read these posts are going to go "lol they're being problematic again" and just tell the Japanese side that everything is fine and that everyone LOVES what the English dubbing. As a consumer your opinion literally doesn't matter because people higher up hold the power.

They do read the posts. They've been active recently. That's how your thread was brought back. Of course, mods moderating doesn't mean anyone who has pull with the devs is listening to NA feedback. It was a common problem and still is with FFXI as well.

[Turtledeluxe]

Hate to tell you this but it's because you're incredibly incoherent and can't keep an argument straight. You cycle through a dozen excuses and random arguments when you're replying to a singular point. It says "triggered" more for you than it does me because only agitated people reply like that. I'm giving you the courtesy of replying specifically to all and using quotes to make it neat and quite frankly, readable. You're welcome.

You just took my post as 100% addressed to you and that's your issue. I did not say it's not OK to have an opinion that the VA is bad. I said if your goal is to get her ousted by talking about tweets, that doesn't seem to be going well. Typically when people get "canceled" it picks up some kind of traction by third parties and this objectively has not happened even given a couple of weeks. As 7.0 gets closer and closer the likelihood of her being removed continues to decline.

If you want my thoughts on simply disliking the VA and having no particular agenda...You can look through all the posts and clearly see in this thread it's very mixed, with mostly neutral and positive reactions. There's no clear majority either way, and imo that would be necessary to see change in this area. My very first post that was not quoting you makes it clear I never said everyone liked the performance. Yet here you are getting yourself all riled up. I'm talking about people who want her fired, if that isn't you then don't worry so much about it.

I think you are projecting about alcohol because you don't even understand what I am saying. I said a negative thread is going to naturally garner more attention because of negativity bias-- that does not mean every post in it is going to negative, hence just because people are drawn to a negative thead thread for dicussion does not prove that discussion all skews negative. You have to look at the posts.

And if the accent is real, you failed to answer the question. So you're hating on it based on what? The dev has to tell you what the accent is inspired by for you to know it's wrong...ie we just don't know enough yet.

[Turtledeluxe]

It took a few people complaining on the forums for them to completely change the Gunbreaker SFX two weeks after ShB launch and made it objectively worse.

It's a lot easier to do this and doesn't involve a human person's employment, rerecording, training, or the SE ethics department. As far as them not doing anything with Sena, if you believe she is untouchable then what is the point of complaining at all?

Basically I just feel that, there are people who dislike the performance but the level of consistency and the quality of the criticisms indicate to me that a portion of the negative feedback is actually driven by something deeper, whether thats the actor herself or something else. There are numerous voices I don't like in the story personally, but they don't piss me off or drive me to boycott the product or something. Even in cases where people do express negativity, it's often "it's bad, it's inconsistent", yet I have not seen any comparisons like an actor they should have used, specific quotes that are off, which real world accent she is imitating with a linked audio example, etc. There's no real effort behind most of the criticisms.

And when I say boycott I mean-- implying she should be fired, threatening to switch to JP audio only, asking to set the audio for dub by character.

[Troxbark]

You just took my post as 100% addressed to you and that's your issue. I did not say it's not OK to have an opinion that the VA is bad. I said if your goal is to get her ousted by talking about tweets, that doesn't seem to be going well. Typically when people get "canceled" it picks up some kind of traction by third parties and this objectively has not happened even given a couple of weeks. As 7.0 gets closer and closer the likelihood of her being removed continues to decline.

If you want my thoughts on simply disliking the VA and having no particular agenda...You can look through all the posts and clearly see in this thread it's very mixed, with mostly neutral and positive reactions. There's no clear majority either way, and imo that would be necessary to see change in this area. My very first post that was not quoting you makes it clear I never said everyone liked the performance. Yet here you are getting yourself all riled up. I'm talking about people who want her fired, if that isn't you then don't worry so much about it.

I think you are projecting about alcohol because you don't even understand what I am saying. I said a negative thread is going to naturally garner more attention because of negativity bias-- that does not mean every post in it is going to negative, hence just because people are drawn to a negative thead thread for dicussion does not prove that discussion all skews negative. You have to look at the posts.

And if the accent is real, you failed to answer the question. So you're hating on it based on what? The dev has to tell you what the accent is inspired by for you to know it's wrong...ie we just don't know enough yet.

"the post isn't 100% directed towards you", then don't reply directly to me, lol.

At this point you're writing quite a bit again for something as simple as "I can't explain my argument".

[Turtledeluxe]

"the post isn't 100% directed towards you", then don't reply directly to me, lol.

At this point you're writing quite a bit again for something as simple as "I can't explain my argument".

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6412096

Yes, my original post that you quoted was not addressed to you. And it's not that I can't explain my arguments, it's that you jumped into the discussion and did not understand what I was saying.

On the subject of firing, this is just from randomly clicking around:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6405237

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6405258

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6406589

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6407669

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6409225

I'd also note a lot of this thread is about the performance being good, being "fine", improving with time, debates over the state of Twitter, debates over how much the director matters, debates over what is transphobic and what isn't. And even if only 1 person called for or implied she should be fired, I would still be justified in noting that it isn't going to happen.

In summary:

- I never said a majority of people approve the voice. I said the voice actor remaining employed with no significant changes is the default, and it's the job of critics to change either her employment or her performance. So the burden of proof is on critics, yet there's no clear consensus the performance was bad.
- People have called for her firing, and the odds of that are low because she has not done anything wrong and has not created any double standard by tweeting that more trans actors should be offered some roles and one major actor should voluntarily resign as a sign of solidarity.
- If negative threads perform better than positive ones, it doesn't mean anything. The content of the posts are what matters and they demonstrate that posters go to critical / negative threads even to discuss positive or neutral feedback. Another interesting finding is that Both threads centered around "feedback" or "poor acting" have second post responses that double/nearly double the likes of the original posts.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6406328
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6405205
On Twitter, this is called being ratio'd and is a bad sign for the original poster.
- Despite your posts, I still hold these positions. Hope this helps

[Burmecia]

On Twitter, this is called being ratio'd and is a bad sign for the original poster.

Here in old internet I think it's just called flame war and it's not particularly positive usage of anyone's time.

[Turtledeluxe]

Here in old internet I think it's just called flame war and it's not particularly positive usage of anyone's time.

Flame wars can't be quantified, but a ratio in this case is the ratio of likes VS dislikes. The idea is that someone posts a hot take with some likes but a reply discredits it and generates significantly more likes. It is no coincidence that has occurred with both of the threads criticizing the VA. Being ratioed means the general audience is too lazy or dispassionate to disagree with the OP but want to let them know they're wrong by liking the earliest reply that does that for them.