Thread: Patch 6.55 - Growing Light Part II - Story Discussion

Originally Posted by Vallavia

I do like her quite a bit, but I can already predict that being an immediately and obviously flawed character she's going to be as divisive as Lyse or even worse (thousand page thread on why the other claimants are objectively better, anyone?). It seems like her growth is going to be the main overarching narrative between the two 'halves' of Dawntrail, so I'm interested to see where it takes her.

Unfortunately I think you're right on this point, and I just wish you weren't. (MSQ spoilers go)

I love everything about Wuk Lamat already, that clearly both her heart and skills are in it even if she's a completely inexperienced wimp in reality. It's entirely possible we could see a Lyse-style angle unfold, where she realizes that her style of leadership doesn't actually sync up with what she thought the country needed. Although something else I could see them doing is us learning that she actually is good at the important parts of ruling a nation, she's just woefully underequipped for the actual rite of succession, that demands a completely different skillset. Which is honestly an element of leader-selection in general that I wish more media explored: that 'ability to undertake the leadership role you're going for' usually has nothing to do with the process in which we select a leader.

...but you're also completely right, that the big Discourse Subject of Dawntrail will absolutely be 'Wuk Lamat is a bad leader'. And I'm sure it's also going to be a complete coincidence that those people are always gonna put forward one of the male characters, including the one that explicitly wants to take them to war.

And all of those people are wrong, Wuk Lamat is great. I took a bit to completely warm to her voice acting, I did have that struggle of 'this is a new accent to me and I need to get used to its cadence', but even then I adored her character, and her, Krile and Erenville will make for interesting parts of the 'A-Crew'. Unfortunately, every other choice for the Scions is exceedingly lame; there's nothing new to say about the twins or G'raha as allies (and yes, I know G'raha is staying home, he's still an ally), while getting Urianger in a core party without getting pushed aside by sheer cast size is overdue.

Finally: as someone whose chocobo has been named Tritoch this whole time, I'm happy to see that Valigarmanda will get such a starring role.

Tataru quest I unfortunately don't have much to say about; it's nice, I liked it, but it's ultimately a 'smooth landing' kind of ending; it's a satisfying, touching end that's also pretty much note-for-note what you expected. Did like the cameos, though.

Allied tribe quest, though? Delightful.

Yeah, turning up the volume on the Hippo Riders' Initial D to the point where it turns into Speed Racer (or possibly Wacky Races, the line is kinda blurred) is fantastic, and honestly, any further exploration of the Nibirun is welcome: I find it really interesting to see the exploration of exactly how their 'world without suffering' had nothing to live for: being so focused on avoiding the negatives of an experience that they also cut out the positives, with the concepts of adrenaline and competitiveness being completely foreign. It was quietly there in the Omicron quests, but it's nice to see it take center-stage, and it's empathetic in its way; I certainly know the experience of having staunchly avoided a badfeel so much that I forgot the joys that came before it.

Haven't done Hildibrand yet.

My only disappointment is that all the cosmetics are a little plain; none of them are bad, but if you're not interested in specifically that thing, then they don't really have the 'sparkle' to win you over. That's only a real shame with the allied tribe quest, though, that quest is full of awesome potential cosmetics that we didn't get. (I still want the Karellians' uniform)

Originally Posted by Cleretic

Unfortunately I think you're right on this point, and I just wish you weren't. (MSQ spoilers go)

I love everything about Wuk Lamat already, that clearly both her heart and skills are in it even if she's a completely inexperienced wimp in reality. It's entirely possible we could see a Lyse-style angle unfold, where she realizes that her style of leadership doesn't actually sync up with what she thought the country needed. Although something else I could see them doing is us learning that she actually is good at the important parts of ruling a nation, she's just woefully underequipped for the actual rite of succession, that demands a completely different skillset. Which is honestly an element of leader-selection in general that I wish more media explored: that 'ability to undertake the leadership role you're going for' usually has nothing to do with the process in which we select a leader.

...but you're also completely right, that the big Discourse Subject of Dawntrail will absolutely be 'Wuk Lamat is a bad leader'. And I'm sure it's also going to be a complete coincidence that those people are always gonna put forward one of the male characters, including the one that explicitly wants to take them to war.

And all of those people are wrong, Wuk Lamat is great. I took a bit to completely warm to her voice acting, I did have that struggle of 'this is a new accent to me and I need to get used to its cadence', but even then I adored her character, and her, Krile and Erenville will make for interesting parts of the 'A-Crew'. Unfortunately, every other choice for the Scions is exceedingly lame; there's nothing new to say about the twins or G'raha as allies (and yes, I know G'raha is staying home, he's still an ally), while getting Urianger in a core party without getting pushed aside by sheer cast size is overdue.

Finally: as someone whose chocobo has been named Tritoch this whole time, I'm happy to see that Valigarmanda will get such a starring role.

I personally feel like they are going with the very basic trope used a lot in animes/manga/light novel or any type of underdog royal succession story.

Wuk Lamat is the basic underdog that people see as the worst leader because she is consider not "Strong enough to make the right choices" trope most main character status characters start out as then got to work her way up to make people realize she is what they need.

Then there are her three siblings following the basic other trope....

We got the Miqo'te brother who is the smart one of the siblings and probably the type to be all strategy and knowledge acting like with a personality that is consider calm all the time. A large amount of people probably support him because they think they need someone to be calm and always think logically as their king.

The third one we do not know much about yet but I am guessing this one is either the Sibling that is always supportive of Wuk Lamat or the sibling that is the "almost perfect" person type that fits the image of a ideal leader who is always the Good brother or sister the majority of their people support. If this sibling is this type then we can probably expect the Warmonger brother to kill him/her off early in the storyline to remove the the only sibling that can win the succession from Wuk Lamat along with to establish how dangerous the Warmonger brother is and provide more reason not to allow him to become the new king.

Then we have the Warmonger brother who they setup as one of the Antagonist already. The Candidate that plays the classic "I am Strong, only the Strong should rule, and the weak deserve to be conquered by the strong" character trope for any Royal Succession storyline.

Originally Posted by Iscah

Maybe the ancient script in S9 isn\\'t anything remarkable at all, just what Tural adopted as their common script.

There is a section from one of the trailers where we can see a bar in Xak Tural with modern Eorzean script

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

That's...it? That's all until mid to late summer? We see the new cat girl in action and Krile uses a spell we've already seen?

A disappointing end to a disappointing expansion. At least it's over and the next time I log in I won't have to hear that insipid song any more.

No it isn't. Granted it's not part of the MSQ, but nonetheless: