All The Doom Threads Are Strange To Me

[Erzaa]

how many players are there? are each of them not just a justified to fight for this, are each of them not allowed to learn this for them selves? its not just one of us, some people are here saying it, but its not just one person, every patch a new player hits that point and comes here, and yet they are treated like they are the person that has been saying it since ARR..

this game died once, we can all agree we dont want it to happen again, you just have to trust that the people willing to come criticize the game versus just leaving care enough about it to want to see it improved. even if they are not happy with current state, we can still want to hope and believe it can get better.

You're misunderstanding my point. Yes, alot of people on these forums agree on alot of issues. 2 minute metas, not enough content, healers, game is dying. I see alot of posts of people agreeing about alot of issues. I personally don't agree, or agree to some extent, but don't consider it a deal breaker.

You can voice your opinions, and others here might agree with you. And your opinions may even be valid. But, at the end of the day, if those issues are deemed unimportant to the majority of players, and the company still continues to make a profit, they don't have any incentive to change.

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

My point was, you don't attempt that, because, deep down, you don't believe you are in the majority, and know that, unsub won't hurt their bottom line, and that maybe... just maybe... we don't matter to them. We don't matter, and we'll never matter unless we hit them on their profit margins, but, more than like, the people complaining on the forums day in day out over the same issues they have with the game, if they all left, it wouldn't even phase SE's profits.

[Mostly_Raxus]

You're misunderstanding my point. Yes, alot of people on these forums agree on alot of issues. 2 minute metas, not enough content, healers, game is dying. I see alot of posts of people agreeing about alot of issues. I personally don't agree, or agree to some extent, but don't consider it a deal breaker.

You can voice your opinions, and others here might agree with you. And your opinions may even be valid. But, at the end of the day, if those issues are deemed unimportant to the majority of players, and the company still continues to make a profit, they don't have any incentive to change.

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

My point was, you don't attempt that, because, deep down, you don't believe you are in the majority, and know that, unsub won't hurt their bottom line, and that maybe... just maybe... we don't matter to them. We don't matter, and we'll never matter unless we hit them on their profit margins, but, more than like, the people complaining on the forums day in day out over the same issues they have with the game, if they all left, it wouldn't even phase SE's profits.

we the player base have in fact done this before and with results, this is my 3rd account, i have 2 PC accounts and a PS account (and soon a xbox one maybe), ive been playing this game since launch, at one point we did give up on this game, and they dropped a mentor on it, another time was during the award winning expatiation heavensward when the game became so stagnant that it almost died, good ol' gordius, this account is the only one i have subbed at the moment due to a new patch that dropped about 2 hours ago, a new patch full of a lack of content i called at 2 am last night before the patch notes even dropped in this very thread.

im hear to finish my relic, see the story and judge whether or not the game is worth playing till i make the same choice with dawntrail.


we do vote with our wallets. some of us more so than others. i have many toons, many cashshop items on multiple of them, many fantasias bought many subs paid.
sure i can walk away, where do i get a refund for all the digital content i payed for? probably worth trying to see something i had loved can be redeemed before i just cast it in to the fires.

You won't get a refund. It's more of a cut your losses kind of situation.

my point exactly, when you pay full price for a car, that wont start sold "as is" you dont just take it to the junk yard, you exhaust your options of fixing it, or at least inquire, before you scrap it.

this game holds value if only just sentimental value, you may have started in 2023 but this game launched in like 2010-2011, we have been playing it a decade+
we have the right to criticize and speak on the decline of quality.

you are in the honeymoon phase, but one day you will see it too.


(at post cap, ill gladly continue chatting tomorrow if you're here, you have been a pleasant and reasonable conversation and i have been enjoying it, thanks )

[Erzaa]

we the player base have in fact done this before and with results, this is my 3rd account, i have 2 PC accounts and a PS account (and soon a xbox one maybe), ive been playing this game since launch, at one point we did give up on this game, and they dropped a mentor on it, another time was during the award winning expatiation heavensward when the game became so stagnant that it almost died, good ol' gordius, this account is the only one i have subbed at the moment due to a new patch that dropped about 2 hours ago, a new patch full of a lack of content i called at 2 am last night before the patch notes even dropped in this very thread.

im hear to finish my relic, see the story and judge whether or not the game is worth playing till i make the same choice with dawntrail.


we do vote with our wallets. some of us more so than others. i have many toons, many cashshop items on multiple of them, many fantasias bought many subs paid.
sure i can walk away, where do i get a refund for all the digital content i payed for? probably worth trying to see something i had loved can be redeemed before i just cast it in to the fires.

You won't get a refund. It's more of a cut your losses kind of situation.

[Grizzlpaw]

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

Voting with your wallet isn't the only option customers have. And many times it's not even the best option. The reality is that the video game industry has changed. We no longer live in an era where a game's success is measured in units sold. We live in an age of horse armor. Of shiny overpriced mounts. We live in an age of cash shops.

In today's gaming industry, it doesn't matter if you're in the majority. Because unlike in the past where 1 person typically bought 1 copy of a game (1 person. 1 vote). Today a person can continue to pump money into their favorite game of choice by purchasing microtransactions. And each time they do that they are voting with their wallet.

In today's gaming industry, people with bigger wallets have more votes.
The unfortunate result of that is that most game companies take the safe (and profitable) path of releasing the minimum viable product that they need to in order to sell these microtransactions to people with large wallets who will continue to vote loud and clear that this is what they want.

Frankly, I don't know what the solution is, but what I do know is that if you want to get anything done these days, you might want to get other people on board. And it just so happens that the forums are a convenient place where people can share their gripes and ideas with other players, AND share those feelings with the devs at the same time. It's not perfect, but it might carry more weight than silently unsubbing.

[Supersnow845]

Voting with your wallet isn't the only option customers have. And many times it's not even the best option. The reality is that the video game industry has changed. We no longer live in an era where a game's success is measured in units sold. We live in an age of horse armor. Of shiny overpriced mounts. We live in an age of cash shops.

In today's gaming industry, it doesn't matter if you're in the majority. Because unlike in the past where 1 person typically bought 1 copy of a game (1 person. 1 vote). Today a person can continue to pump money into their favorite game of choice by purchasing microtransactions. And each time they do that they are voting with their wallet.

In today's gaming industry, people with bigger wallets have more votes.
The unfortunate result of that is that most game companies take the safe (and profitable) path of releasing the minimum viable product that they need to in order to sell these microtransactions to people with large wallets who will continue to vote loud and clear that this is what they want.

Frankly, I don't know what the solution is, but what I do know is that if you want to get anything done these days, you might want to get other people on board. And it just so happens that the forums are a convenient place where people can share their gripes and ideas with other players, AND share those feelings with the devs at the same time. It's not perfect, but it might carry more weight than silently unsubbing.

Someone on one of the reddit subs did a calculation and found that square made 30 million dollars off the squall bike alone, what does my measly 20 dollars per month matter to them when they have a cash shop retention like that

It’s obvious me walking away won’t change anything, so I’d rather come on here and ask for what I want considering leaving isn’t going to benefit anyone