All The Doom Threads Are Strange To Me

[Mostly_Raxus]

You pay for the game, but aren't happy with what you're provided, you take your money elsewhere. I'm not being sarcastic or "just quit the game...", more like, if truly enough people aren't happy with the state of the game and took their money elsewhere, SE would notice and make changes.

I feel, most people who complain on the forums that the game is in a terrible state but refuse to unsub, are worried, because deep down, they know that most people really wouldn't follow. It wouldn't be a WoW Exodus and the game would be just fine without them, and most people, even with a few pet peeves here and there, are happy with the game.

well there goes any discourse, if we like the game enough that we want it to improve we should just quit everyone, no point actually fighting for change, no need for civil rights in our countries people, we can just leave instead..

you dont want a discussion, you want a echo chamber that constantly validates your purchase of the game, your fragile ego wont allow the game to improve because you will never admit there is a problem in fear of you admitting you made a poor choice.

[Erzaa]

well there goes any discourse, if we like the game enough that we want it to improve we should just quit everyone, no point actually fighting for change, no need for civil rights in our countries people, we can just leave instead..

you dont want a discussion, you want a echo chamber that constantly validates your purchase of the game, your fragile ego wont allow the game to improve because you will never admit there is a problem in fear of you admitting you made a poor choice.

Hahahaha. Funny you should mention that, considering the forums are mostly an echo chamber of negativity, game is dying, game is terrible, game is awful.... Oh, the irony.

And no, you can have discussions, that's what the forums are for afterall. But discussions only happen between a few people with differing opinions, in between tens of posts of blanket statements.

And yes, if the changes you so desperately want aren't being made after you've asked for them hundred or thousands of times, then you take a hard stance and take your money elsewhere. If enough people do it, those changes will be forced, but will enough people do it?

[Mostly_Raxus]

Hahahaha. Funny you should mention that, considering the forums are mostly an echo chamber of negativity, game is dying, game is terrible, game is awful.... Oh, the irony.

And no, you can have discussions, that's what the forums are for afterall. But discussions only happen between a few people with differing opinions, in between tens of posts of blanket statements.

And yes, if the changes you so desperately want aren't being made after you've asked for them hundred or thousands of times, then you take a hard stance and take your money elsewhere. If enough people do it, those changes will be forced, but will enough people do it?

or the game studio sees a lack of profit and decides its not worth the hassle for the main team, the game gets handed to a cheaper studio, put on the cloud and goes in to maintenance mode with 6+ months between every patch, and basically left to die wile it milks its whales for all it can get until it releases next product, all while the people working on the game start getting re directed to newer titles and their focus becomes less and less on the game untill the director starts focusing on other main line games instead.... just for instance...

the forums exist as a means for communication with the developers, im sorry but how often do you call a restaurant after your meal to complement them on a job well done? not to often i take it.
the game LITERALLY tells us to come here with our problems and complaints, the forums are not for you pat the devs on the back for successfully receiving your payment..
this is the MEDIUM at witch the PLAYER-BASE is meant to CONTACT the DEV team.
maybe think about that before you critize people for doing that very thing.

plenty of people do take their money elsewhere, you mentioned the wow exodus, kinda funny considering that the servers seem almost dead since those days, guess there was a FFXIV exodus, but its ok you still have your alt and RP cafe.

[Erzaa]

or the game studio sees a lack of profit and decides its not worth the hassle for the main team, the game gets handed to a cheaper studio, put on the cloud and goes in to maintenance mode with 6+ months between every patch, and basically left to die wile it milks its whales for all it can get until it releases next product, all while the people working on the game start getting re directed to newer titles and their focus becomes less and less on the game untill the director starts focusing on other main line games instead.... just for instance...

the forums exist as a means for communication with the developers, im sorry but how often do you call a restaurant after your meal to complement them on a job well done? not to often i take it.
the game LITERALLY tells us to come here with our problems and complaints, the forums are not for you pat the devs on the back for successfully receiving your payment..
this is the MEDIUM at witch the PLAYER-BASE is meant to CONTACT the DEV team.
maybe think about that before you critize people for doing that very thing.

plenty of people do take their money elsewhere, you mentioned the wow exodus, kinda funny considering that the servers seem almost dead since those days, guess there was a FFXIV exodus, but its ok you still have your alt and RP cafe.

You're absolutely right. But, how many times do you need to repeat the same problems you have with the game, not having them changed, before you realise you're being ignored?

It could be you're being ignored for many reasons. Maybe you're complaints aren't valid, maybe more of the playerbase doesn't agree with you, maybe the developers just really don't care one way or another.

But how many times will you repeat yourself, before finally giving up and saying I've had enough, you can't have my money anymore?

And restaurant example, you call, you complain, they don't listen, do you keep going back and eating their food?

[Mostly_Raxus]

You're absolutely right. But, how many times do you need to repeat the same problems you have with the game, not having them changed, before you realise you're being ignored?

It could be you're being ignored for many reasons. Maybe you're complaints aren't valid, maybe more of the playerbase doesn't agree with you, maybe the developers just really don't care one way or another.

But how many times will you repeat yourself, before finally giving up and saying I've had enough, you can't have my money anymore?

And restaurant example, you call, you complain, they don't listen, do you keep going back and eating their food?

how many players are there? are each of them not just a justified to fight for this, are each of them not allowed to learn this for them selves? its not just one of us, some people are here saying it, but its not just one person, every patch a new player hits that point and comes here, and yet they are treated like they are the same person that has been saying it since ARR..

this game died once, we can all agree we dont want it to happen again, you just have to trust that the people willing to come criticize the game versus just leaving care enough about it to want to see it improved. even if they are not happy with current state, we can still want to hope and believe it can get better.

[Erzaa]

how many players are there? are each of them not just a justified to fight for this, are each of them not allowed to learn this for them selves? its not just one of us, some people are here saying it, but its not just one person, every patch a new player hits that point and comes here, and yet they are treated like they are the person that has been saying it since ARR..

this game died once, we can all agree we dont want it to happen again, you just have to trust that the people willing to come criticize the game versus just leaving care enough about it to want to see it improved. even if they are not happy with current state, we can still want to hope and believe it can get better.

You're misunderstanding my point. Yes, alot of people on these forums agree on alot of issues. 2 minute metas, not enough content, healers, game is dying. I see alot of posts of people agreeing about alot of issues. I personally don't agree, or agree to some extent, but don't consider it a deal breaker.

You can voice your opinions, and others here might agree with you. And your opinions may even be valid. But, at the end of the day, if those issues are deemed unimportant to the majority of players, and the company still continues to make a profit, they don't have any incentive to change.

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

My point was, you don't attempt that, because, deep down, you don't believe you are in the majority, and know that, unsub won't hurt their bottom line, and that maybe... just maybe... we don't matter to them. We don't matter, and we'll never matter unless we hit them on their profit margins, but, more than like, the people complaining on the forums day in day out over the same issues they have with the game, if they all left, it wouldn't even phase SE's profits.

[Mostly_Raxus]

You're misunderstanding my point. Yes, alot of people on these forums agree on alot of issues. 2 minute metas, not enough content, healers, game is dying. I see alot of posts of people agreeing about alot of issues. I personally don't agree, or agree to some extent, but don't consider it a deal breaker.

You can voice your opinions, and others here might agree with you. And your opinions may even be valid. But, at the end of the day, if those issues are deemed unimportant to the majority of players, and the company still continues to make a profit, they don't have any incentive to change.

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

My point was, you don't attempt that, because, deep down, you don't believe you are in the majority, and know that, unsub won't hurt their bottom line, and that maybe... just maybe... we don't matter to them. We don't matter, and we'll never matter unless we hit them on their profit margins, but, more than like, the people complaining on the forums day in day out over the same issues they have with the game, if they all left, it wouldn't even phase SE's profits.

we the player base have in fact done this before and with results, this is my 3rd account, i have 2 PC accounts and a PS account (and soon a xbox one maybe), ive been playing this game since launch, at one point we did give up on this game, and they dropped a mentor on it, another time was during the award winning expatiation heavensward when the game became so stagnant that it almost died, good ol' gordius, this account is the only one i have subbed at the moment due to a new patch that dropped about 2 hours ago, a new patch full of a lack of content i called at 2 am last night before the patch notes even dropped in this very thread.

im hear to finish my relic, see the story and judge whether or not the game is worth playing till i make the same choice with dawntrail.


we do vote with our wallets. some of us more so than others. i have many toons, many cashshop items on multiple of them, many fantasias bought many subs paid.
sure i can walk away, where do i get a refund for all the digital content i payed for? probably worth trying to see something i had loved can be redeemed before i just cast it in to the fires.

You won't get a refund. It's more of a cut your losses kind of situation.

my point exactly, when you pay full price for a car, that wont start sold "as is" you dont just take it to the junk yard, you exhaust your options of fixing it, or at least inquire, before you scrap it.

this game holds value if only just sentimental value, you may have started in 2023 but this game launched in like 2010-2011, we have been playing it a decade+
we have the right to criticize and speak on the decline of quality.

you are in the honeymoon phase, but one day you will see it too.


(at post cap, ill gladly continue chatting tomorrow if you're here, you have been a pleasant and reasonable conversation and i have been enjoying it, thanks )

[Grizzlpaw]

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

Voting with your wallet isn't the only option customers have. And many times it's not even the best option. The reality is that the video game industry has changed. We no longer live in an era where a game's success is measured in units sold. We live in an age of horse armor. Of shiny overpriced mounts. We live in an age of cash shops.

In today's gaming industry, it doesn't matter if you're in the majority. Because unlike in the past where 1 person typically bought 1 copy of a game (1 person. 1 vote). Today a person can continue to pump money into their favorite game of choice by purchasing microtransactions. And each time they do that they are voting with their wallet.

In today's gaming industry, people with bigger wallets have more votes.
The unfortunate result of that is that most game companies take the safe (and profitable) path of releasing the minimum viable product that they need to in order to sell these microtransactions to people with large wallets who will continue to vote loud and clear that this is what they want.

Frankly, I don't know what the solution is, but what I do know is that if you want to get anything done these days, you might want to get other people on board. And it just so happens that the forums are a convenient place where people can share their gripes and ideas with other players, AND share those feelings with the devs at the same time. It's not perfect, but it might carry more weight than silently unsubbing.

[sindriiisgaming]

well there goes any discourse, if we like the game enough that we want it to improve we should just quit everyone, no point actually fighting for change, no need for civil rights in our countries people, we can just leave instead..

you dont want a discussion, you want a echo chamber that constantly validates your purchase of the game, your fragile ego wont allow the game to improve because you will never admit there is a problem in fear of you admitting you made a poor choice.

If everybody who was mad at the game quit the mmo would be a barren wasteland. These ppl don't really understand why there words ruin the entire game for everyone. They play solo, log in once a month for there house. Don't do savages or ukts ir even exs. They just sit and chat in nn or something similar. Imo they've no right to tell us to quit when they barley even play it

[Erzaa]

If everybody who was mad at the game quit the mmo would be a barren wasteland. These ppl don't really understand why there words ruin the entire game for everyone. They play solo, log in once a month for there house. Don't do savages or ukts ir even exs. They just sit and chat in nn or something similar. Imo they've no right to tell us to quit when they barley even play it

Excuse you? I don't do savage or extremes or ultimates or any of that, because I've no interest in it. And I login every single day, I play solo, I play duo, I play trio, I join roulettes. As long as it's not high end raiding content, I've done it. Don't believe me? Go check my Lodestone profile. Don't speak as if you know me. I've been on almost every single day on the game for the last 4,5 years mister.