All The Doom Threads Are Strange To Me

[Mostly_Raxus]

Island Sanctuary, variant dungeons, Eureka Orthos, MSQ normal dungeons/trials, alliance raids, tribal quests... there was plenty of 'non-hardcore' content. Especially considering the hardcore content was basically Savage and Ultimate.

Also, have you done literally every single thing there is to do in the game up to Endwalker? Everything? Every single quest, achievement, etc.? Because you can still do old content in Endwalker. You're not locked out. I seriously doubt there's absolutely nothing for you to do currently in-game. If you find there's nothing you want to do, yes, go play something else. That's normal behaviour. If you're so attached to the game that you're mad because you can't find anything to enjoy anymore, that's not SE's problem. It's you.

this is kind of a bad take mate.
the content of this xpac is pretty doable within a week of it launching, your ideal of content is do ever side quest and get every achievement? sure guys if you dont kill all the s ranks 5000 times you still have content to do.. repetition is not content.. if you play the game when content comes out you already completed old content, so saying go do old stuff is redundant right?
December 7, 2021, thats when endwalker launched. its 2024.

[Heroman3003]

this is kind of a bad take mate.
the content of this xpac is pretty doable within a week of it launching, your ideal of content is do ever side quest and get every achievement? sure guys if you dont kill all the s ranks 5000 times you still have content to do.. repetition is not content.. if you play the game when content comes out you already completed old content, so saying go do old stuff is redundant right?
December 7, 2021, thats when endwalker launched. its 2024.

If repetition isn't content, then isn't ALL content in the game just one-and-done? Aren't all relic grinds of the past that have been praised as 'good content' just repition of stuff youve already done 20 times over? What's the difference between repitition for achievement kind and repitition for stuff like relics or grinds in exploratory zones?

[Mostly_Raxus]

If repetition isn't content, then isn't ALL content in the game just one-and-done? Aren't all relic grinds of the past that have been praised as 'good content' just repition of stuff youve already done 20 times over? What's the difference between repitition for achievement kind and repitition for stuff like relics or grinds in exploratory zones?

meaningful reward, why would i grind a beast tribe past max rank if i have all the rewards?
is a achievement really a meaningful reward for 99% of the player base?
clearing a raid for bis gear? thats a reason to keep trying, to bad we get 4 raid bosses per 12 month cycle

[Striker44]

I dunno about doom and all that but after base Endwalker all the patches had almost no content for non hardcore players and that's simple facts.

I stopped reading right here for a moment because the "simple facts" are the complete opposite. I am most definitely a non-hardcore player. I still have content from the various patches that I've barely touched or haven't done at all (but am still looking forward to doing). The closest thing to a "fact" might be the dev team this time around didn't create content you desire, or that the content in and of itself isn't as "long-lasting" as something like an exploratory zone, but the "simple fact" is that there is a lot of content for non-hardcore players.

Oh, for the record, I've been playing on-and-off since 2015 and playing this game as my main MMO since 2021, and I haven't come close to touching all of the content I want to do (let alone everything that exists, as there are a variety of things I just don't personally have interest in).

And have you considered that perhaps they intentionally did NOT put in an M+ system because that's not the kind of game FFXIV wants to be, or the crowd it wants to attract? And again - you might be disappointed with things like Manderville. Other people (such as myself) love that kind of content and very much enjoy the Manderville storylines.

[Mostly_Raxus]

knowing that this thread is just bait; here we go..
i hear plenty of valid criticism of the game, not so much doom saying.
you say there is loads of content, but lets take the patch thats dropping as an example: What are we getting?
-2 hours of a MSQ (probably being generous)
-1 hour of a hildi quest
- 1500 tomes requirement for relic upgrade
- 6 month wait+ till next patch

this isn't repeatable content, just because you dont want long term goals does not mean this game is fine.

[kingskye]

knowing that this thread is just bait; here we go..
i hear plenty of valid criticism of the game, not so much doom saying.
you say there is loads of content, but lets take the patch thats dropping as an example: What are we getting?
-2 hours of a MSQ (probably being generous)
-1 hour of a hildi quest
- 1500 tomes requirement for relic upgrade
- 6 month wait+ till next patch

this isn't repeatable content, just because you dont want long term goals does not mean this game is fine.

but the problem i see is when we get the content we are expected to get, people are going to complain that its too much content for them to handle...at what point do we say that the community is to blame too with the game stagnating instead of blaming only the devs? people say shadowbringers was the best expansion ever...but that had the lowest amount of content in any of ffxiv and the content we got was dumbed down from the previous expansion...the only reason why shadowbringers didnt get as much hate as endwalker was asmongold came and the wow exodus brought in new people to the game

[Mostly_Raxus]

but the problem i see is when we get the content we are expected to get, people are going to complain that its too much content for them to handle...at what point do we say that the community is to blame too with the game stagnating instead of blaming only the devs? people say shadowbringers was the best expansion ever...but that had the lowest amount of content in any of ffxiv and the content we got was dumbed down from the previous expansion...the only reason why shadowbringers didnt get as much hate as endwalker was asmongold came and the wow exodus brought in new people to the game

we pay for this game, sure some people will complain there is more content then they care to do, but hey easy answer, they just can not do it. but to deny people that actually want to play content because you only want to log in once a year is idiocy..

if you dont want to play the game then dont, but dont tell us we cant play because your busy playing baldur's gate instead.

[Syln]

knowing that this thread is just bait; here we go..
i hear plenty of valid criticism of the game, not so much doom saying.
you say there is loads of content, but lets take the patch thats dropping as an example: What are we getting?
-2 hours of a MSQ (probably being generous)
-1 hour of a hildi quest
- 1500 tomes requirement for relic upgrade
- 6 month wait+ till next patch

this isn't repeatable content, just because you dont want long term goals does not mean this game is fine.

And then you see the "argument" that we are burned out ... burned out of what actually ? That doesn't make sense when the complain is that there is not enough content in each patch.

"Ho you complain that you want more stuff to do ? Then it's because you don't want to do stuff anymore !" The level of mental gymnastic is amazing

[Orinori]

Tfw you admit that you only RP and do the 1-off MSQ and then make a post about how everyone else (who actually plays the game) who isn't happy with the state of the game (that you aren't playing) are crazy. Never change 14 community, never change.

[Supersnow845]

One phrase I notice a lot of people who make these style of “the game is fine what are people talking about threads” using is some variation of “there is plenty of content, there just isn’t plenty of content you personally want to do”

In the eyes of a paying customer in a live service game what is functionally the difference?

I’m a person who likes varied job design, decent grinds (something like the emblazoned is a good grind to me) and MMO style content, for me EW gave me nothing, I got boring homogenised job designs and 3 pieces of content with no replayability that died the day they launched

Now can you make the argument that if square is making said content to appeal to a particular faction of the playerbase that’s not me that they don’t have time to make what I want? Yes 100% you can make that argument and I’d even agree with you on it. However that doesn’t make my argument that EW gave me nothing wrong, it just means I wasn’t the target playerbase, which doesn’t preclude me from complaining that I didn’t get what I wanted in a game I pay for (I’m saying this in the least whiny “what about me” way, I just can’t think of a better way to phrase it)

Complaints on the forums centre 99% around either this phenomenon; that people are paying for content that they don’t particularly want; or around the even more simple idea that content that takes 4 months to come out shouldn’t be able to be finished in 4 hours. Nobody is arguing the game is actually dying, but people are arguing the game they want to play is dying, which is a totally different argument