And Another Pictomancer Thread!

[SweetPete]

Hey fellow pictomancer mains and dabblers.

So I been talking to so many people about this job and it seems no one is really sure where this job will rank within the caster role.

For example. I am hearing it will rank BLM, PIC, SMN and RDM.

I really don’t think so though. I mean Yoshi. P said it’s not a pure support and not very attack focused either. So I take that as it will be a hybrid like bard is for the ranged physical role. It has good damage and good support. I also believe summoner will be losing its rez in DT which will put it closer to BLM I believe. So I rank it as BLM, SMN, PIC and RDM.

So I ask you all. Where do you think pictomancer will rank between the caster role. Do you think it will focus more on damage than support or more support than damage or do you believe like me it will be an equal hybrid job like bard is.

Can’t wait to hear your thoughts.

[Sequora]

I think people have it right. I think it's going to be BLM PIC SMN RDM. Literally all Yoshi-P said was that they won't deal as much damage as BLM, and that they have buffs, but that they wouldn't consider it a support job. The closest this game has to support jobs is two of our physical ranged jobs (DNC, and BRD). They could have 1 buff and be more supportive than BLM. There's no way it's like a BRD. That throws off the balance. SE likes their balance. BLM and PIC will be DPS powerhouses with BLM being the selfish DPS with no buffs, PIC will be slightly below it, with a DPS utility of some kind. SMN and RDM will continue to be the rez mages, with RDM being more defensive.

[mallleable]

The thing is there is a lot we don't know yet. I feel like there could be a big shakeup to ranged as a whole. BRD, and MCH could very well get pvp-style casts, and rez could be removed from all casters as well as changes, and additions to SMN, and RDM. It's just a big question mark. All we know is that PIC has a raid buff, and no rez, but I feel like its identity has wiggle room to potentially get one or two extra utility skills.

[Sequora]

The thing is there is a lot we don't know yet. I feel like there could be a big shakeup to ranged as a whole. BRD, and MCH could very well get pvp-style casts, and rez could be removed from all casters as well as changes, and additions to SMN, and RDM. It's just a big question mark. All we know is that PIC has a raid buff, and no rez, but I feel like its identity has wiggle room to potentially get one or two extra utility skills.

The fact that Yoshi P made a point that pictomancer doesn’t have Rez, makes it pretty apparent that Rez for summoner and red mage aren’t going anywhere. I assume that we’ll have two casters that can Rez, and two casters that can’t.

Utility is tricky. There’s not much utility that’s ultimately that useful outside of rezzing or increasing damage. I think it’ll probably be damage increase. Maybe an expedience speed increase? Either way it should deal similar rdps as BLM with no Rez.

[Vainbaal]

The exact quote was "It has magic that can buff the party. We wouldn't say that is a Full Support Job if that is what you're thinking, but it's not as Attack Focus as something like Black Mage."

The "buff the party" comment that was made at Fanfest is equivalent to saying that Reaper has provides support buff with its actions in the form of Arcane Circle. So, there is not much to go off of here.

For the rest what it translates to me is that it will not be at the level that Summoner/Red Mage is currently at as they both currently fall under the support category in the caster role. However, Pictomancer will not be a greedy DPS like Black Mage or Samurai. Thus, it will fall into place below Black Mage but above Red Mage and Summoner.

[mallleable]

The fact that Yoshi P made a point that pictomancer doesn’t have Rez, makes it pretty apparent that Rez for summoner and red mage aren’t going anywhere. I assume that we’ll have two casters that can Rez, and two casters that can’t.

Utility is tricky. There’s not much utility that’s ultimately that useful outside of rezzing or increasing damage. I think it’ll probably be damage increase. Maybe an expedience speed increase? Either way it should deal similar rdps as BLM with no Rez.

A statement of PIC's lack of ability to rez does not automatically mean that SMN, and RDM will still have theirs. He didn't say anything like 'rest assured, RDM, and SMN will still have their rezzes.' IIRC they also said that SMN came extremely close to losing its rez during its rework which leads me to believe that the state of caster rezzes could potentially be in flux. If casters lose their rezzes, then I think healers' ability to rez should be buffed to compensate.

[SweetPete]

Everyone so far has compelling arguments. So far it seems most are in the field of PIC being slightly below BLM in damage while SMN and RDM will still bring the buffs/utility and rezzes. I still disagree but hey I’ve been wrong before so lol. I guess we shall see in the coming months. I do believe jobs are going to get shaken up a tad. Heck Yoshi P. Said in an interview that many of the current jobs will have completely new rotations. There is also the highly anticipated DRG/AST reworks too.

[Mostly_Raxus]

it will be a dps with a 2 min party CD, it will be stronger than BLM 1st tier, competitive 2nd tier and fall off hard last tier, thus the new job formula.

it will be overturned first raid tho just because everyone will want to play it so square will make sure its in the meta

[Sequora]

it will be a dps with a 2 min party CD, it will be stronger than BLM 1st tier, competitive 2nd tier and fall off hard last tier, thus the new job formula.

it will be overturned first raid tho just because everyone will want to play it so square will make sure its in the meta

New jobs are ever actually OP at launch. I feel like it’s usually the other way around. They typically need buffs, which will inevitably be really fast.

[Tsumdere]

Yoshi-P has already said he doesn't like the rez on SMN. He said that SMN rez was planned to be cut pre-EW but they reverted that decision last minute due to the rework being too big, which makes me wonder if they are going to go forward with removing SMN rez after all in DT. I expect it will.

Without a rez SMN is as much of a support job as a MNK is, so where PIC falls in the list depends on SMN rez.

I agree with OP that it's going to be BLM - SMN - PIC - RDM.