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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiraneko View Post
    Having played many mmos and mobile games, it's not a surprising thing at all for people to spend this much. It's a normal thing, even. Many of my friends who play mobage easily toss hundreds/thousands a month on mobile games like Genshin, Granblue Fantasy, Honkai, etc. In many F2P MMOs like Elsword, the whole culture/endgame was around obtaining and showing off loot box costume collections and people whaled so much for them. This continues into modern F2P MMOs such as Lost Ark, where they take every opportunity available to them to make you feel like trash if you don't spend money.
    And is this the future/present you want this game to have? At least the free games have a (flimsy) excuse why they bleed their playerbase dry. Either remove the subscription or stop pulling F2P nonsense, SE. Pick a lane and say on it! Eh, it doesn't matter at this point though, there are plenty willing to throw money at cosmetics so what incentive does CBU3 have in making content when they can reuse meshes and slap a new texture over it for 20 dollars!
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  2. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    And is this the future/present you want this game to have? At least the free games have a (flimsy) excuse why they bleed their playerbase dry. Either remove the subscription or stop pulling F2P nonsense, SE. Pick a lane and say on it! Eh, it doesn't matter at this point though, there are plenty willing to throw money at cosmetics so what incentive does CBU3 have in making content when they can reuse meshes and slap a new texture over it for 20 dollars!
    I'm not saying what SE does is right. I'm just saying it's the least egregious of them by far. I can see the gradual worsening of the cash shop over time, with more items and mounts, and them becoming more expensive. However, for the time being it's still by far not a problem that other "F2P" mmos have, and that's by virtue of it being one of the last remaining sub-based mmos. There are no sub-based games or B2P games like GW2 anymore because it's simply not as profitable as F2P games. The following is completely speculation as I'm not a game dev, but $15/month has been unchanged for WoW and FF14 since the 2000s (2013 for xiv). imo, with the how crazy the costs are for game development now, as well as inflation, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that $15/month might not be enough to sustain development. So it's not completely evil to me that they use the cash shop to cover some of the costs, especially since the cash shop in FF14 isn't that egregious.
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  3. #73
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    it's crazy how ignorant you people are when it literally got confirmed on reddit it's going to loop
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiraneko View Post
    I'm not saying what SE does is right. I'm just saying it's the least egregious of them by far. I can see the gradual worsening of the cash shop over time, with more items and mounts, and them becoming more expensive. However, for the time being it's still by far not a problem that other "F2P" mmos have, and that's by virtue of it being one of the last remaining sub-based mmos. There are no sub-based games or B2P games like GW2 anymore because it's simply not as profitable as F2P games. The following is completely speculation as I'm not a game dev, but $15/month has been unchanged for WoW and FF14 since the 2000s (2013 for xiv). imo, with the how crazy the costs are for game development now, as well as inflation, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that $15/month might not be enough to sustain development. So it's not completely evil to me that they use the cash shop to cover some of the costs, especially since the cash shop in FF14 isn't that egregious.
    So you admit that it's not right and then proceed to justify why it's okay? All I can say is
    *honk*
    *honk*
    I get it, we can't go back but don't be shocked when people are upset that it's "not right".
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  5. #75
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    I personally don't like that the cash shop is expanding, but I can see the argument for it given that the sub price hasn't changed amid rising development costs and inflation. I think it's better than increasing the sub price for everyone. I know people can't talk anymore without being snarky clowns, but being able to converse with other people whose perspectives are different from yours is a good skill to have lmao
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  6. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiraneko View Post
    I personally don't like that the cash shop is expanding, but I can see the perspective for it given that the sub price hasn't changed amid rising development costs and inflation. I think it's better than increasing the sub price for everyone. I know people can't talk anymore without being snarky clowns, but being able to converse with other people whose perspectives are different from yours is a good skill to have lmao
    Wow, going by that logic Occupation Wallstreet was just a bunch of bullies harassing some old men, lmao. Humanizing corporations will only lead to tears and oligarchies.
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG View Post
    account wide glam, no glam dresser in sight, once you get it, its unlocked on all your characters. But hoping we get a cosmetic journal like WoW has, from Yoshi P is like still asking Blizzard for player housing, it'll never happen.
    They actually mentioned player housing during their new leaf era (windows purchasing bliz / them saying they are going to try to be better), but low on priority. But yeah the account wide glam is pretty cool, plus it organizes the gear better / add-ons can help.
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  8. #78
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    Cirina Etterna
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    Quote Originally Posted by fantasiaaddict View Post
    it's crazy how ignorant you people are when it literally got confirmed on reddit it's going to loop
    Source for this? I thought it got datamined that it doesnt loop.
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  9. #79
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    Dubhlainn Bree'a
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halivel View Post
    That's... I've no words for just how bad it sounds. :x
    It can also lose someone their housing, if they're in specially marked apartments or condos for it, and it can get a person thrown off their health care benefits.

    Financial assistance for disabled folks in the USA is an absolute shit show. It is incredibly difficult to get approved to be on in the first place. The wait times are staggering. Most people who DO get on it had to go through multiple appeals, usually with a lawyer. And as Cinnamonpop noted, it's specifically set up so that you cannot put aside savings.

    They'll also ask neighbors and family members if you seem to be presenting as married. I know people on disability who cannot get married because their partner's income would be counted against them, thus losing them not only the money but their healthcare coverage, they have to be careful not to seem too committed to their partner even without the legal bonds.

    It's nauseating.
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  10. #80
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    To return to topic: digital bonuses should apply account wide. It's ridiculous that they changed it to single character. SquareEnix really should reverse this policy.
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