whats up with the pictomancer hate

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

Like someone else said this is the Internet so this ain't nothing new, but people have really wrongly internalized that offering feedback or criticism is automatically something negative and bad and hateful.

There’s also the third group, which really loves Pictomancer and wants to play it, but were disappointed by the initial gameplay video and just want it to be as good as it can be.

For me personally, I’m offering feedback because I’m excited to play the class. And I want to love it! I don’t offer criticism on anything just to be negative, but because I love this game and want things to be even better.

Likewise, I want to be more excited for Pictomancer, and the gameplay video was very underwhelming for me, which is why I've been giving feedback on the visuals. This is not out of hate for the job, this is not because I was expecting something entirely different like Green Mage, this is because I want it to be better than it currently is, because I know it can be.

Partly because FFXIV has some really good VFX already, and I was surprised that the Pictomancer ones weren't of the same quality or general art direction, and partly because, as has been shown in other threads, other games with similar classes have achieved visuals that are a lot more compelling than what we've seen so far.

as a fine artist im gona biggg disagree with you.

i am also a manga artist so i feel this appeals to me more

The most important thing for an artist is to understand the nature of criticism and feedback, be open to it, and listen to it, even if you disagree with it at first. This is the one skill you learn in art school, and this is the main way you improve yourself as an artist. Subjectivity doesn't mean that it's someone's opinion against the rest of the world, but rather that there might be some truth in everyone's opinion, and it's up to the artist to find that truth in the feedback they receive, in the interest of perfecting their work.

[RodP]

It was a letdown after what we saw Krile do. Obviously I was never expecting it to look as good as that, but I did expect more colours, sparkling particles and butterflies, and I get that it's magical ink but I don't think it needs to be that cartoony.

Giving feedback isn't "hate", if a part of the community has a mostly negative opinion about it, we're gonna say what we think, and other people with different opinions are gonna do it too.

Labelling it as hate is even less productive than the splitting opinions.

[mallleable]

Maybe can we agree that the spell effects should not look 'realistic?'

[Shougun]

Alright so... I was just seeing what AI would make for example and it came up with this lol:


Makes me think Diablo's version of pictomancer XD.

Anyway.. uh.. what was I doing? Right-- I wonder rather than super cutesy if it had stronger watercolor or pastel look with more emphasis on blending into the environment, if that would help players? I do feel it's very cartoony and would look, probably, quite awful in a serious dark moody dungeon when it's your first go about on the MSQ, but beyond that I don't really care that I feel that way given you can also run around as a pig and a chocobo, and on topic of effects... I can turn down the player effects if I want.

I'd probably try to do more subtle changes to it at this point, perhaps a bit more detail or after the spell effect is launched it then gains more detail such that it is still 'colorful art' but doesn't look so... young (lack of definition, in specific conjunction to the bright colors and happy shapes, gives it a very 'young' 'cartoony' and semi 'childish' vibe).

Still thinking, while a bit painful, it would be cool if you can build up your paint selections and so players can choose some of these things themselves. For example if you want to be a moody/solemn/serious painter you might use inks (like Asian Ink painting), while someone else goes to 11 and adds freaking sparkles lol.

As someone who really really wanted corsair, and shapeshifter caster, I don't get it. Pictomancer looks great! I can't wait to play it.

SHAPESHIFTER LEETSS GOOO

And by god please make it normal @_@ (or dreams do come true and start making advanced jobs, my petty annoyances for blue would flip on their head if they were advanced 'best job ever').

[Merrigan]

Maybe can we agree that the spell effects should not look 'realistic?'

Definitly ! That's not the problem here. Most people seemed bothered by :

- The cartoon aspect
- The lack of resolution

I would personnaly add "too many colors" + Kawaii elements, but that weren't as problematic for the majority.

[SanibelIsland]

Nah, not really age. I'm 44 and I think it looks like silly fun. I'm definitely going to try it.

I'm well in my 60's and after reading some comments, I think the "cartoon" effect is a let down for me. But never too old to learn something new, so who knows.

[Thurmnmurmn]

I don't have to play the job to say the visuals aren't for me. Way too colorful and cutesy.
I'll still play it regardless just to get all jobs to max but I doubt I'll do anything else on it.

[Commander_Justitia]

Definitly ! That's not the problem here. Most people seemed bothered by :

- The cartoon aspect
- The lack of resolution

I guess it was hard for them to settle on a skill animation style, so it ended up as cartoon.

I am more bothered by the gameplay of dps jobs, I do wonder why so many dots and summons got removed from classes, why everything is tuned for burst meta. Would probably have liked a necromancer guy that summons a horde of undead mobs more. Our battle system feels very basic compared to other MMO and other Online RPG games.

[SieyaM]

I don't know if the job will be wonderful or terrible or anything in between, I do know that the aesthetic and visual effects of it are not something I want to play as myself so I will not be playing it. I can also see how some of the visual effects, being quite large and very solid, could be bothersome to others in a party.

[OliverQ]

I haven't outright expressed hate for it, but I do think it sounds pretty cheesy. Just can't get onboard with defeating fearsome enemies with a brush and splashes of paint, but I'm sure some people will enjoy it.