whats up with the pictomancer hate

[Hanayumi]

The only decent looking battle effect shown in the trailer.



These are awful.

Surprisingly, I like the ice effect the most out the elemental skills they showed. Earth one just looks too derpy to me, feels like something from a pokemon game, while the fire and lightning ones are barely noticeable, hoping these get neater looking with upgrades like blm fire to fire 3, if they go that route.

[TaleraRistain]

From what I've seen, this job is not for me. Might be my age, because I am, I think a lot older then the average player. I like Krile, but pictomancer...nah, not really. It doesn't appeal to me in any way.

Nah, not really age. I'm 44 and I think it looks like silly fun. I'm definitely going to try it.

To the topic at hand, as someone mentioned in the second or third post, new jobs always have people excited and people complain about them. I remember that even for something that was as wanted as Red Mage.

[Gemina]

- We dont know its job guage/resources

- We dont know all of its skills

- We dont know what sort of buffs or extra utility theyll be bringing to the party, besides lack of rez

- We dont know the rotation

- We dont know the meta


Yeah Im pretty sure just looking at vague skills and visual effects isnt fully enough to warrant to form a valid opinion of the job. Like I said, I understand first impressions but the trailer is so lackluster that any current opinions are at this point groundless. Try again

Again, no one is making assessments based on how the job plays. That's impossible right now. What's silly is telling players that they need to play the job before they can pass judgment on it. My response to that is, "Since when?" I'm not sure you recognize how erroneous of a statement this is.

In order to get a players to care about...

- job gauge/resource
- skills
- utility
- rotation
- meta

...it has to get passed the door. If the dev team felt they were not under any obligation to catch the interest of players, the new job trailers wouldn't even exist. First impressions are always superficial, and it's what actually sales a new product. Food, cars, toys, movies, comic book covers, etc. They all do this.

Even if we want to use the "play it before you judge it" mentality, the dev team hasn't done themselves many favors due to the homogenous design of the game's jobs. If the jobs in the game were a harmonious blend of individuality, then this argument might have some gravity. Alas, they are not so a purely superficial impression is all they have to sell this job to players because they already have a good idea what they are going to get based on current job design. It leaves very little to get exited for, and Viper falls into this trap as well.

[Merrigan]

Nah, not really age. I'm 44 and I think it looks like silly fun. I'm definitely going to try it.

To the topic at hand, as someone mentioned in the second or third post, new jobs always have people excited and people complain about them. I remember that even for something that was as wanted as Red Mage.

I can't talk for everybody (duh, captain Obvious Merri'), but it's the first time I have such a strong reaction to a job. I didn't really liked reaper, but it was just... "Meh, guess I will see".

Here the aeshtetics is so particular, that I had a strong reaction to it. The fact that it's so special in terms of rendering certainly explains the reticence of many, because I don't think the game contains any other classes as... original, let's put it that way.

[Shougun]

Most common complaint I've seen is that the art isn't appealing. Then perhaps the whole idea itself following behind it (paint magic), but not immediately so.

I'm fine that it exists, though the art isn't my style. My thoughts is that means it's probably going to be more someone else's then. I do think it would potentially help if they can add some paint options, like if they were able to apply a shader to it for more or less cell shading, color swaps, etc (pick your own paints basically).

I think my largest annoyance with the job is not the job, but that it feels like a perfect limited job in concept but blue and beastmaster which are, imo, more main stays, are limited (plus we have active examples of MMO beastmaster, so unless the pets are amazingly designed it's just going to be the poor man's version of it anyways).

[Mosselyn]

Hate is a strong word, but I definitely find the cartoony style off-putting enough that I am not interested in it at all. Or even eager to see those effects in my party (though I'm hopeful limited effects will make it mostly unseen for me). I am disappointed.

All that said, I don't mind that it's coming. Clearly, some find it exciting. I don't have to like every job. I already don't like some jobs. It's fine.

[MagiusNecros]

Class reminds me of Golden Sun Effects so the class is a win for me.

Reaper never received a bunch of hate considering it is pretty much a streamlined FFXI Dark Knight with a Devil Trigger Fell Cleave mode tacked on. The only hate it evewr got long term was that Endwalker launch it was overtuned and everyone loved it's selfhealing before it got nerfed.

I'm really just seeing a lot of whiners crying that it isn't Green Mage or Geomancer.

Green Mage was dead at it's inception given Green Mage was about defensive magic and status effects which XIV detests any kind of CC on enemies and especially bosses.

Geomancer is dead in the water since XIV technically considers Astrologians Geomancers alongside the Geomancer description in XI being similar to XIV Pictomancers. And Blue Mage uses Malediction of Water which is a Geomancer attack.

Geo in XI states "Geomancers (GEO) are arcane spellcasters that harness the power of geomancy to strengthen their allies, enervate their enemies, and provide much-needed support to the party. They assume many of the same support roles corsairs and bards do, and while they may not pack as much offensive firepower as black mages, they can employ elemental magic with ease. "

Whereas Pictomancers in XIV state "The pictomancer channels offensive elemental magic by creating a variety of artwork. In addition to hard-cast spells, they also have several instant cast actions, similar to other magical ranged DPS. They will also be able to buff nearby allies, similar to Red Mage or Summoner. They will not have access to a resurrection spell."

Huh wow. Boy that sounds familiar doesn't it.

Not to mention the Class brings it's own whimsical personality and therefore a unique identity to the roster of Job Classes available.

You've seen 4 elemental attacks, Moogle Beam/Blast, an artistic landscape of 3 Shooting Stars which is likely part of the Star Prism animation. And potentially a teaser of it's LB3 in the CG trailer with the flying Rainbow Paint/Slime creature Krile draws to life.

Sounds like the vocal minority on the forums can't ever be happy about anything and it's rather sad. You guys really want problems all the time.

If only you had the same enthusiasm Krile does for the new class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP9TVAtSFjc

[Mithron]

sevral people said its a GIRLS and LGBT only job (this is the most laughable 1 so far)

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as a lgbtq/girl/irl pictomancer.. i cant wait for this job!

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While I'm not against Pictomancer as a whole, it's really insulting they made a staple job like BLU Limited but not Picto. I love Relm from FF6, so it gets a pass given it's "classic," but there were so many better options. Like Mystic Knight or Geomancer.

I also hate the aesthetics of the job in XIV. It does not fit. It screams degradation of quality in all realms.

[CaptainLagbeard]

The effects do look a little too cartoonish...

One thing that would make it look much better in my opinion was if they transformed from that cartoonish look into the things they are actually supposed to be... Basically that the Pictomancer paints things into the world and they turn from paint into real ice, fire or rocks whatever else they can throw around.

[mallleable]

As someone who really really wanted corsair, and shapeshifter caster, I don't get it. Pictomancer looks great! I can't wait to play it.