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  1. #21
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    Fyrebrand's Avatar
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    Friel Wyndor
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    "Artist" would have probably been fine in a vacuum, but Final Fantasy likes to make callbacks to its history and roster of "jobs," and Pictomancer is already right there in FFVI for an artist character. It would arguably be a little weird if they didn't call it Pictomancer, sort of like if they put a pervy octopus monster in FFXIV and didn't name him Ultros.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    I love how simple most of the job names are in this game. All of them are easy to remember and imagine what they do.
    That's true for some, not true at all for others. Imagine you've never played a Final Fantasy game before. What would you think of a "White Mage," "Black Mage," "Red Mage," and "Blue Mage"? There's no making sense of that just by the name. The only reason anyone would easily imagine what these jobs do, is if they have knowledge of the series traditions. Which is why they went with Pictomancer, it is an established term in Final Fantasy and known to be a battle job. "Artist" I don't have any particular problem with fundamentally, but without context it doesn't mean anything in particular gameplay-wise. It could easily be a new crafting job where you create housing decorations, wall art, etc.
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  2. #22
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    Rax Ryujin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    semantics don't matter. So you can just call it Artist.
    or you can just stop being a diva and call it a pictomancer just like the people whom made it decided..

    It's not even an artist, it doesn't create anything new, it copies the same images as every other pictomancer, it does animate the pictures it copies though (you know thus mancer, duh)

    I guess if you wanna be coy about it you could call it a xerox, or just a printer mage if you want to stay with form.. lol
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  3. #23
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    Yeah Astrologian, Black Mage, etc just roll off the tongue. Man you guys must be bored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Yeah Astrologian, Black Mage, etc just roll off the tongue. Man you guys must be bored.
    Put an etc. here to suggest more jobs when there aren't any.

    Astrologian is at least a real word and Black Mage is as simple as you can get. Black magic, everybody knows that. Other colors derive from that. At the very least everybody knows what a Mage is.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    or you can just stop being a diva and call it a pictomancer just like the people whom made it decided..
    SE is being the diva by calling it a fancy schmanzy Pictomancer instead of an earnest down-to-earth bread and butter Artist!
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    Get ready to be mad about the names of their moves, too.
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  6. #26
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    its not an artist, an artist creates, it only copies, your inherent argument is flawed and incorrect
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    Put an etc. here to suggest more jobs when there aren't any.

    Astrologian is at least a real word and Black Mage is as simple as
    Whether you're talking about the spelling or concept, XIV has several jobs that are just like..what? Viper? Reaper? Sage? Even Blue Mage...Those are not classes you can just tell someone by name and they can just guess what it is in this game. You are implying there is some kind of consistency here when there really isn't. What is consistent is that most of them are former FF jobs and that's where the understanding comes from.

    Also as others have pointed out, Pictomancer may be artistic but that doesn't make it an artist.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 01-11-2024 at 02:48 PM.

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    I guess if you wanna be coy about it you could call it a xerox, or just a printer mage if you want to stay with form.. lol
    To be fair, Yoshida dedicated a few minutes to specifically explaining that they were changing the German name from "duplicator" to "pictomancer" and that this iteration of the job would be doing more than just copying.

    But still, no reason to object to having the distinct concept of pictomancer over generic artist.
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post


    Get ready to be mad about the names of their moves, too.
    What? Those are great! Especially Sub-Job BP Saver.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    its not an artist, an artist creates, it only copies, your inherent argument is flawed and incorrect
    All artists copy and create, including the new job, your argument is invalid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Whether you're talking about the spelling or concept, XIV has several jobs that are just like..what? Viper? Reaper? Sage? Even Blue Mage...Those are not classes you can just tell someone by name and they can just guess what it is in this game. You are implying there is some kind of consistency here when there really isn't. What is consistent is that most of them are former FF jobs and that's where the understanding comes from.

    Also as others have pointed out, Pictomancer may be artistic but that doesn't make it an artist.
    Those are all very easy words. Pictomancer is way too fancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    But still, no reason to object to having the distinct concept of pictomancer over generic artist.
    The reason is it's too distinct. Artist is nice and simple. Like Warrior or Summoner or Black Mage. Pictomancer is super sophisticated and not even intriguing. When learning about it people will go "Oh, so it's just an Artist. Like in Lost Ark but more snobbish."
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    Last edited by Eisi; 01-11-2024 at 03:00 PM.

  10. #30
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    so i guess a printer is an artist now.

    also pictomancer is not really complicated at all, its 3 syllables.. elevate yourself.
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