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    Player
    Eisi's Avatar
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    Eiserne Sternschnuppe
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post


    Get ready to be mad about the names of their moves, too.
    What? Those are great! Especially Sub-Job BP Saver.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    its not an artist, an artist creates, it only copies, your inherent argument is flawed and incorrect
    All artists copy and create, including the new job, your argument is invalid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Whether you're talking about the spelling or concept, XIV has several jobs that are just like..what? Viper? Reaper? Sage? Even Blue Mage...Those are not classes you can just tell someone by name and they can just guess what it is in this game. You are implying there is some kind of consistency here when there really isn't. What is consistent is that most of them are former FF jobs and that's where the understanding comes from.

    Also as others have pointed out, Pictomancer may be artistic but that doesn't make it an artist.
    Those are all very easy words. Pictomancer is way too fancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    But still, no reason to object to having the distinct concept of pictomancer over generic artist.
    The reason is it's too distinct. Artist is nice and simple. Like Warrior or Summoner or Black Mage. Pictomancer is super sophisticated and not even intriguing. When learning about it people will go "Oh, so it's just an Artist. Like in Lost Ark but more snobbish."
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    Last edited by Eisi; 01-11-2024 at 03:00 PM.

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    Mostly_Raxus's Avatar
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    Rax Ryujin
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    so i guess a printer is an artist now.

    also pictomancer is not really complicated at all, its 3 syllables.. elevate yourself.
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    Those are all very easy words. Pictomancer is way too fancy.
    So is it about understanding or is it about syllables? Becuase I've already proven that not all names are easy to pronounce and I've also proven not all names are easy to understand. So your post doesn't work, I'm sorry.

    Also Pictomancer is not an artist, period end of story. It is not predicated on creating art. It is a fictional painter that instantiates things they've observed into life. The job has nothing to do with traditional ideas of art, which is another reason why all the whiners trying to hold it to some kind of strict artistic standard sound incredible dense. A real life painter cannot paint stones into a 3D earth attack, nor is combat their motivation.

    As others have pointed out it's impractical as well. If you want to say this class is an artist well then virtually all of them are, not just BRD or DNC.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 01-12-2024 at 06:50 AM.

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    Player RitsukoSonoda's Avatar
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    Ritsuko Sonoda
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    Just think, With the addition of Pictomancer in FFXIV "I'm going to paint your portrait" will return to being a threat. :3
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    "Artist" is too vague and covers music and dance, BRD and DNC falls under the "Artist" category.
    Pictography is the exact word of someone who works by drawing pictures.
    -Mancer suffix is used to designated someone using something for mystical, divine, magic purpose.

    Such as Geomancer.
    If it was Geomancer no one would complain about its name.
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    Sugar And'spice
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    "Artist" is too vague and covers music and dance, BRD and DNC falls under the "Artist" category.
    Pictography is the exact word of someone who works by drawing pictures.
    -Mancer suffix is used to designated someone using something for mystical, divine, magic purpose.

    Such as Geomancer.
    If it was Geomancer no one would complain about its name.
    kung fu is also an art - martial art
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    your titanmen, hes titanmen IM TITANMEN are there anymore titanmens i should know about?

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    Adam Brazenmutt
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Technically Krille is an AI artist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    Heyho,

    I love how simple most of the job names are in this game. All of them are easy to remember and imagine what they do. Except for Gunbreaker, which should have been called Gunblade.

    Monk.
    Reaper.
    Astrologian.
    Black Mage.
    White Mage.
    Red Mage.
    Blue Mage.
    Machinist.
    Viper. (Kinda sucks at telling you what it is but easily builds rapport over time due to 2 syllables)
    Summoner.
    Ninja.
    Paladin.
    Samurai.
    Dark Knight.
    Dancer.
    Sage.
    Bard.
    Warrior.
    Scholar.
    Artist.

    It just fits!

    You can still have it be inspired by Relm (who is an artist by the way) without duplicating the hyper-unique weird ass job name. Necromancer is the only job that's allowed the -mancer title imo because there's no simpler substitute and it's universally known. Even Geomancer is too niche. But if you have an easy substitute - Artist - just use it!

    That's my opinion anyway, what do you think?
    while id have liked artist too the name kinda has to be picto because of what it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    your titanmen, hes titanmen IM TITANMEN are there anymore titanmens i should know about?

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    Lilimo Limomo
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    Siren
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    An "artist" is already a thing. Alphinaud is referred to multiple times as being an artist. Since Pictomancer is a significantly different thing than an artist, it is better if these two different things are referred to with two different words.
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