The Leveling Problem explained.

[Iscah]

the problem is that they need to detach access to zones and non msq questlines from MSQ and make them level based instead.

Zone access is tied to the story and letting people just march into the Super Secret Place on a whim undermines the story's ability to keep it super secret.

As something of a compromise, I would not mind seeing an option for people to be eligible for dungeons beyond their story progress in roulettes to encourage participation there while still forcing people to make story progress if they want to queue fie a thing manually.

[Mostly_Raxus]

Zone access is tied to the story and letting people just march into the Super Secret Place on a whim undermines the story's ability to keep it super secret.

As something of a compromise, I would not mind seeing an option for people to be eligible for dungeons beyond their story progress in roulettes to encourage participation there while still forcing people to make story progress if they want to queue fie a thing manually.

I think having the ability to willingly spoil your self at your own choice is still better than the game forcing a spoiler on you because you did a leveling roulette.

my argument is for the sake of being able to enjoy the story instead of feeling like you have to rush or skip the story just to play with your friends in the content you want. for many this is not our first MMORPG, some new player want to get to raid with their friends, and the story will always come second to that.

[Jojoya]

I think having the ability to willingly spoil your self at your own choice is still better than the game forcing a spoiler on you because you did a leveling roulette.

my argument is for the sake of being able to enjoy the story instead of feeling like you have to rush or skip the story just to play with your friends in the content you want. for many this is not our first MMORPG, some new player want to get to raid with their friends, and the story will always come second to that.

There's nothing to stop them from raiding together even if the friend is starting from scratch on MSQ. It doesn't take that long to get through 2.0 and unlock Coils and/or CT.

If friends are trying to rush a new player through the leveling content, they don't sound like very good friends. NG+ and level sync exist so they can still play together.

[Mostly_Raxus]

There's nothing to stop them from raiding together even if the friend is starting from scratch on MSQ. It doesn't take that long to get through 2.0 and unlock Coils and/or CT.

If friends are trying to rush a new player through the leveling content, they don't sound like very good friends. NG+ and level sync exist so they can still play together.

I think you misconstrue my entire point because i assume you believe the only way to play this mmorpg is as a single player story crawl.
some players just want to get to CURRENT content and play with friends, some players even, dare i say, dont care about the story..

Some people would very much like to get to current content asap and actually PROG with their friends and then do the story at their own pace on their own time..
if thats not you then dont, but stop gatekeeping everyone to your assumed right way of playing, this community is very toxic when it comes to the ideal of not caring about the story.

telling someone to go threw 40-60 hours of arr quest lines rushing just to run coils is enough to destroy all the enjoyment of this game, especially when you buy a game to play with friends and instead you are led threw content they all know and can clear without you even playing while already knowing all the strats and just waiting on you to catch up is not playing with friends, its babysitting..

also NG+ doesn't allow you to play together, in fact most quests requite you to not even be in a party together so you can be sucked in to a solo instance.. following a new player around and doting on the fact that you know all the spoilers and have all the mounts they cant even attempt to get is not playing together, its just feeding your ego.

[Iscah]

I think having the ability to willingly spoil your self at your own choice is still better than the game forcing a spoiler on you because you did a leveling roulette.

The thing is, it's not as simple as "just let people into the higher areas" because then things have to be structured differently. You can't gate off the final zone as something special reached by an unusual mechanism or story event; it has to be a straightforward door that anyone can pass through at will.

[Arohk]

The thing is, it's not as simple as "just let people into the higher areas" because then things have to be structured differently. You can't gate off the final zone as something special reached by an unusual mechanism or story event; it has to be a straightforward door that anyone can pass through at will.

this is one thing that always bothered me about WoW, you could enter any dungeon through the dungeon finder simply by reaching a certain character level, but you ahd no idea where that dungeon even is or why youa re in tehre or who the bosses are, this didn't matter that much when WoW was less story driven in classic.