My take on pictomancer no one asked for

[SieyaM]

Honestly Pictomancer should be really exciting for me, it checks or at least claims to check all the boxes I want in a job. Uses all the elements to attack and is supposed to have a strong party support focus but I just cannot deal with the manic pixie aesthetic they chose for the spell effects and animations. I don't think it's going to be a terrible job that no one will play, just personally disappointing and since we are unlikely to get another caster for 6 or more years it's going to be a long wait for another.

[MagiusNecros]

I think people are just salty it wasn't Green Mage or Geo.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I think people are just salty it wasn't Green Mage or Geo.

Time Mage enjoyers also a bit miffed. We're tired of the "Astrologian is Time Mage because it has/had Time Magic" gatekeep to no end.

[Wyssahtyn]

that party support thing is probably just code for "it has a two minute party buff" ngl

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

that party support thing is probably just code for "it has a two minute party buff" ngl

That is assuming they took the entire feedback we gave them for how much the 2min raid buff fight design and job design sucks for fun and individuality and do f***-all with it.

I'll be holding my breath until media tour/7.0 how things go. The forced 2min job design needs to die.

[Chasingstars]

I think people are just salty it wasn't Green Mage or Geo.

I personally don't mind, it was a shot in the dark when I made my thread and mostly of my concerns if it was going to be green mage (more supporty than red mage).

I think the main dislike of pictomancer at the moment is it currently suffering from Kung Fu Panda Syndrome. Basically we just had Reaper and all the more dark and edgy stuff, and then here comes this very light-hearted class. I called it KFPS because it reminds me of that time for World of Warcraft where they were announcing the new class, Monk, but the main practioners of the class was pandarens (panda bear race), and at the time the movie, Kung Fu Panda, was fresh in peoples minds. It got derided for looking too light-hearted compared to the prior class, Death Knight.

[MagiusNecros]

that party support thing is probably just code for "it has a two minute party buff" ngl

Would not surprise me. The whole "evoking such wonders takes time" implies a CD centric job which probably will mean the devs are doubling down on the 2 minute meta design philosophy. Not sure how that'll pan out with Pictomancer supposed to have middleground DPS and no Raise spell. If it doesn't have Raise it should do as much damage as Black Mage but that does not seem to be the case.

I think a lot of players agree that the 2 minute meta is terrible and needs to disappear. Makes the game very boring to play.

[Rithy255]

That is assuming they took the entire feedback we gave them for how much the 2min raid buff fight design and job design sucks for fun and individuality and do f***-all with it.

I'll be holding my breath until media tour/7.0 how things go. The forced 2min job design needs to die.

Honestly 2 minute meta is bad, but it feels like the only real reason why it's being discussed over poor healer or tank designs is because it effects DPS players which is the majority (for good reason). 2 minute meta should go away, but in all honesty it's not actually something im that passionate about in reality, I still think they can design fun jobs around the meta but at the same time, it's also something that limits jobs and makes them feel samey in some instances, I think most DPS still fair decently but are starting to feel the stale design.

Honestly the game would just be a lot more fun if they made healer and tanks more interesting, people talk about 2 minute meta being homogenization but when you look at tank and healer design the entire of those roles are, and it's a fact that they're designed to be doing DPS all the time, but both completely lack any sort of intresting DPS rotation. The "utility" that all these jobs bring are so interchangeable for better or worse that you'd expect at least a little bit of better design.

I think picto's support will likely be a 120 raid buff or some wacky timer like 60s who knows? but I'm really bored of party buffs honestly, I would like a caster with the dragoon/dnc/ast sort of target single target buff instead.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Honestly 2 minute meta is bad, but it feels like the only real reason why it's being discussed over poor healer or tank designs is because it effects DPS players which is the majority (for good reason). 2 minute meta should go away, but in all honesty it's not actually something im that passionate about in reality, I still think they can design fun jobs around the meta but at the same time, it's also something that limits jobs and makes them feel samey in some instances, I think most DPS still fair decently but are starting to feel the stale design.

Honestly the game would just be a lot more fun if they made healer and tanks more interesting, people talk about 2 minute meta being homogenization but when you look at tank and healer design the entire of those roles are, and it's a fact that they're designed to be doing DPS all the time, but both completely lack any sort of intresting DPS rotation. The "utility" that all these jobs bring are so interchangeable for better or worse that you'd expect at least a little bit of better design.

I think picto's support will likely be a 120 raid buff or some wacky timer like 60s who knows? but I'm really bored of party buffs honestly, I would like a caster with the dragoon/dnc/ast sort of target single target buff instead.

Deleting the 2min meta and improving tank & healer playstyles and enjoyment aren't mutually exclusive to be had, this isn't a zero-sum game. They can happen in tandem, just unlikely.

The 2min meta affects literally every role. Not just DPS. Tank and Healer abilities are literally designed around it nowadays as well.

[MagiusNecros]

Every class is designed around 2 min meta so every class at a meager glance plays the same. Leaves little room for optimization or improvement. Everyone just pops all their CDs at every 2 minute mark. Occasionally delaying to maybe every 3 minutes. But I think it's just a symptom of a larger problem which is class design philosophy to where everyone is the same and no one is unique. Very prominent with Tanks/Healers where damage is either close or Healers have 20 insta-heal buttons and only 1 or 2 DPS buttons. Very boring.

It's great for casual play but more skillful players wanting to improve their class kinda can't.