Pictomancer's effects need some more work

[mallleable]

I love the spell effects, but maybe they could be a bit more textured, and painterly. I'm not so sure.

[SieyaM]

They used Gosetsu to "preview" Samurai back in 3.55 but his abilities weren't the same as the playable version, so I assume they'll do the same here in whatever obligatory solo duty they'll likely toss in.

Ugh, we will probably get stuck as Krile at some point in DT where we will have to spend an entire duty glooping paint at people.

[Sequora]

I think another thing people need to realize is many of the initial job trailers don’t really show the flashiest skills.

The sage trailer in particular was really boring from what we actually got. We saw their basic heal, and a few other skills.

[MisterNublet]

I think another thing people need to realize is many of the initial job trailers don’t really show the flashiest skills.

The sage trailer in particular was really boring from what we actually got. We saw their basic heal, and a few other skills.

Nah, Sage trailer didn't lie, Sage is boring as hell.

[Jojoya]

Considering the comments in this thread about what a painter-style job should be, I can tell Pictomancer is not going to be for me. It sounds like what most expect is equivalent to a small child being given a can of paint and a brush then left unattended. Fun for the child (and sometimes for adults doing the same) but annoying to everyone else around them who's stuck looking at the mess.

I hope it turns out better than what I'm imagining because so many are excited for it. It's just a big turn off for me if it's more about splashing paint at things than creating coherent images.

Uuuuh... Pretty bold to debut a job in-game only 2 weeks after its reveal without waiting for the playerbase's reaction, feels a little bit rushed?

Red Mage debuted in game in patch 3.4 (Sept 2016) but wasn't officially announced as a new job until December that year.

A lot of advance planning goes into creating a new job. When it gets officially announced really doesn't matter. They're already committed to it. They'll listen to player feedback for small changes they can make but it's too late at this point to give it a complete overhaul and have it ready in time for expansion launch.

[Cidel]

You were talking on a public forum, so of course I was going to feel the need to respond if I thought that I could add something. In the original post because you two were discussing about the possibility of the Pictomancer having been influenced in some way by the Artist's trailer (I'm paraphrasing you), to which I replied to show that it was a bit far fetched for sure, considering the historical data (more on that later). The rest is just you assuming things, as I said, and also projecting onto me (avoiding the point? condescension? WTF?). I was even trying to make light fun in my posts when I was directly criticizing something that I directly copied from what you actually wrote and that you promptly ignored, while your posts are filled with aggressivity and sarcasm, as well as more and more assumptions. It's getting tiring already.

First of all, thank you for continuing to prove my original point about you taking it seriously despite your initial denial of doing so. "Casual interactions," right. The longer you drag this on, the clearer it becomes that your intent was never to just "add something" so much as try to overtly shut down speculation or perceived besmirchment of Pictomancer. You keep desperately trying to bring the argument being about Pictomancer as a whole (from your very first reply here) being entirely influenced by Artist's mere existence when that was never the primary point, and then continue to engage in mental gymnastics and providing data to argue a completely different point all because you were apparently triggered (yes, triggered) by somebody's comment.

And yes, the more you continued to felt necessary to add, the more obvious your condescension became. Apparently, you're an expert of detecting aggression in people's typed posts, but oblivious to how you come across in your own. Adding "joking, lol" to the end of a sarcastic comment of your own doesn't make it "light fun" instead. So stop throwing stones atop that glass house of yours. What's really getting tiring is your disingenuous attempts at seeming like you were never here to start something or provoke a reaction when everything beyond your first post contained about as much passive-aggression and confrontational language that you apparently want to point out is coming from me.

And I'm not promptly ignoring anything more than you are/were, just because I don't address every petty, unrelated point you make. Which is rich, because you've already done that several times. You promptly seem to be getting bent when somebody doesn't acknowledge your points, but the fact that you have to ask me now what I found resemblance between the two trailers (go back and look) tells me you haven't actually been trying to engage in a "casual interaction" so much as you've been looking to argue for the sake of arguing while pretending to have some sort of moral high ground. So you broke down exactly what they're wearing and where they were with a synopsis of what each character did (btw, that isn't nearly as close to a Midlander Hyur normal walk as you make it sound like it is. Clearly more hop and skip in her step)? the vibe, presentation and general appearance of two things can be similar without being exact copies of each other. I shouldn't have to explain this nuance, but it's obvious that you are trying to split hairs and make 1:1 comparisons to discredit anyone who finds resemblance because clearly the thought triggers you. I only "VERY conveniently cut" that part out in the quote (which is the whole point of 2 sets of ellipsis in a quote) because the space it takes up in a mere quote is ridiculous.

Krile's ears when using the white mage job: https://twitter.com/allaganeyes/stat...88735317233664...

...Also, in regards to Krile, I already explained the origins of the ears in the cloak (yes, you were wrong), as well as why she was the character chosen for the job (in the fragment that you chose to leave out on the quote). The rest is just you trying to desperately find something which is only in your apparently very rich imagination, to say the least. Did you want me to actually act as in your assumptions and projections?

Nope, nice try. I correctly pointed out her outfit has more in common with the Devout class, with there being seldom overlap. It wasn't "conveniently ignored," you just don't actually read, but I've known this for majority of our interaction. So sorry, pulling up like the one exception to being White mage over Devout doesn't make me wrong, go look it up. Regardless, it has nothing to do with me pointing out the irony in the character wearing cat ears also ended up turning into a Pictomancer. But please, continue to argue that me noticing and pointing out that coincidence is my imagination.

Also I'm glad you found 16-bit sprites to be evidence that the job must be blithely frolicking about, lol. Bravely Default is published by SE and often borrows and uses the Final Fantasy line's jobs and gimmicks in their gameplay. It is a more recent game (but of course you should have known that, since you love recounting release dates so much) and also it pertains to a job class much like XIV rather than a single character, so that's why I felt it to be relevant; so why don't you take your own advice and check your awareness if you're going to start talking smack.

You continue to want to bring up historical facts of the job as if they have any bearing on what I originally made reference to and continue to prove my point about you taking the subject matter more serious than you pretend to, so I can tell there's clearly a paintbrush stuck in your... hat.

Now, I'll patiently wait for you...

I bet. Probably the most engagement you had on here in years, huh?

...to be as detailed as I was and explain what concrete evidence you have to think that there any similarities beyond what I already acknowledged. Enlighten me and let's have some fun, if that's what you insist on. However, i won't be surprised if you don't do it, or if you make up stuff again. After all, you even made up stuff about what I wrote and even my intentions! Lastly, excuse me if I like and enjoy writing and I wrote too much before, since apparently one needs to have some hidden feelings in order to write and be detailed. I hope that you like it more now that I used the tone that you imagined!

Except you haven't actually added anything else new worth engaging with besides pictures, besides asking questions I already acknowledged and showing your true colors as a confrontational and sarcastic person who likes to project and wanting to take this to a personal level. Really, that's the only enlightenment that needs to be had here. Which is why I didn't believe for a moment when you claimed you weren't trying to "pick up(?) a fight." You claim I'm making stuff up when I've basically pointed out observations before you taking upon yourself to attempt to "debunk" what I've observed. So, so far everything coming from you has actually been aggressive as you continue to prove my initial assessment of your point of even engaging in the first place. Thanks for dropping all pretenses; the whole: "I'm not trying to start anything but-" schtick was getting old. Don't act like you aren't relieved to finally own up to it now that somebody's called you out on it (lol).

I]Disclaimer: Most of this post is full of well-deserved sarcasm. For the obtuse ones that can't even distinguish between someone just discussing something and their own hallucinations, and which may now think that someone is angry at them. No, you aren't as important as you might believe to deserve that, buddy. But I hope that you understood the difference now.[/I]

"Pat, I'll take 'Continuing to Pretend to Have the Moral High Ground While Being Pretentious' for 500, please."

[LynxDubh]

I think another thing people need to realize is many of the initial job trailers don’t really show the flashiest skills.

The sage trailer in particular was really boring from what we actually got. We saw their basic heal, and a few other skills.

So what you're saying is, the opaque effects can get bigger.

[Jojoya]

So what you're saying is, the opaque effects can get bigger.

The truth is we really don't know what to expect. We'll have to wait until the media tour when they do the job showcases. Until then all we have to discuss is what we saw in the short job trailer, which is likely still a work in progress.

[LynxDubh]

The truth is we really don't know what to expect. We'll have to wait until the media tour when they do the job showcases. Until then all we have to discuss is what we saw in the short job trailer, which is likely still a work in progress.

I know, I just wanted to make a bit of a quip.

[Yshnal]

Firstof all, thank you for continuing to prove my original point about you taking it seriously despite your initial denial of doing so. "Casual interactions," right. The longer you drag this on, the clearer it becomes that your intent was never to just "add something" so much as try to overtly shut down speculation or perceived besmirchment of Pictomancer. You keep desperately trying to bring the argument being about Pictomancer as a whole (from your very first reply here) being entirely influenced by Artist's mere existence when that was never the primary point, and then continue to engage in mental gymnastics and providing data to argue a completely different point all because you were apparently triggered (yes, triggered) by somebody's comment.

And yes, the more you continued to felt necessary to add, the more obvious your condescension became. Apparently, you're an expert of detecting aggression in people's typed posts, but oblivious to how you come across in your own. Adding "joking, lol" to the end of a sarcastic comment of your own doesn't make it "light fun" instead. So stop throwing stones atop that glass house of yours. What's really getting tiring is your disingenuous attempts at seeming like you were never here to start something or provoke a reaction when everything beyond your first post contained about as much passive-aggression and confrontational language that you apparently want to point out is coming from me.

And I'm not promptly ignoring anything more than you are/were, just because I don't address every petty, unrelated point you make. Which is rich, because you've already done that several times. You promptly seem to be getting bent when somebody doesn't acknowledge your points, but the fact that you have to ask me now what I found resemblance between the two trailers (go back and look) tells me you haven't actually been trying to engage in a "casual interaction" so much as you've been looking to argue for the sake of arguing while pretending to have some sort of moral high ground. So you broke down exactly what they're wearing and where they were with a synopsis of what each character did (btw, that isn't nearly as close to a Midlander Hyur normal walk as you make it sound like it is. Clearly more hop and skip in her step)? the vibe, presentation and general appearance of two things can be similar without being exact copies of each other. I shouldn't have to explain this nuance, but it's obvious that you are trying to split hairs and make 1:1 comparisons to discredit anyone who finds resemblance because clearly the thought triggers you. I only "VERY conveniently cut" that part out in the quote (which is the whole point of 2 sets of ellipsis in a quote) because the space it takes up in a mere quote is ridiculous.


Nope, nice try. I correctly pointed out her outfit has more in common with the Devout class, with there being seldom overlap. It wasn't "conveniently ignored," you just don't actually read, but I've known this for majority of our interaction. So sorry, pulling up like the one exception to being White mage over Devout doesn't make me wrong, go look it up. Regardless, it has nothing to do with me pointing out the irony in the character wearing cat ears also ended up turning into a Pictomancer. But please, continue to argue that me noticing and pointing out that coincidence is my imagination.

Also I'm glad you found 16-bit sprites to be evidence that the job must be blithely frolicking about, lol. Bravely Default is published by SE and often borrows and uses the Final Fantasy line's jobs and gimmicks in their gameplay. It is a more recent game (but of course you should have known that, since you love recounting release dates so much) and also it pertains to a job class much like XIV rather than a single character, so that's why I felt it to be relevant; so why don't you take your own advice and check your awareness if you're going to start talking smack.

You continue to want to bring up historical facts of the job as if they have any bearing on what I originally made reference to and continue to prove my point about you taking the subject matter more serious than you pretend to, so I can tell there's clearly a paintbrush stuck in your... hat.



I bet. Probably the most engagement you had on here in years, huh?




Except you haven't actually added anything else new worth engaging with besides pictures, besides asking questions I already acknowledged and showing your true colors as a confrontational and sarcastic person who likes to project and wanting to take this to a personal level. Really, that's the only enlightenment that needs to be had here. Which is why I didn't believe for a moment when you claimed you weren't trying to "pick up(?) a fight." You claim I'm making stuff up when I've basically pointed out observations before you taking upon yourself to attempt to "debunk" what I've observed. So, so far everything coming from you has actually been aggressive as you continue to prove my initial assessment of your point of even engaging in the first place. Thanks for dropping all pretenses; the whole: "I'm not trying to start anything but-" schtick was getting old. Don't act like you aren't relieved to finally own up to it now that somebody's called you out on it (lol).



"Pat, I'll take 'Continuing to Pretend to Have the Moral High Ground While Being Pretentious' for 500, please."

It's both interesting and sad that you made such an effort in trying to analyze both me and the supposed implications of that post (missing the intention of the obviously different tone in the process), yet somehow didn't bother to address directly the comparisons and actually explain what exactly is the base for your opinion, instead of some vague "the intros look similar" or "their choice of model and behavior are similar" or "both use blonde cutesy girls" or "they have the same vibe", and the likes. I wasn't kidding when I said two posts ago that I was honestly wondering what made you specifically think that way, or three posts ago about how you would have made the job trailer to look different enough in that sense for you. I'm still wondering right now what legit makes you think about the Pictomancer looking more similarly shown to the way the Artist also was in its trailer than to what it has always looked like in the Final Fantasy games (I reduce this to FF games because, for example, there aren't chocobos or moogles in BD, as it's a different IP that doesn't repeat the usual FF tropes, other than taking inspiration from some) that it has appeared in. You might jump on the gun again at me for saying this, but my honest opinion is that you're just grasping at straws there to find something that isn't even there. But I'm really wondering if somehow I can't notice some important details in the trailers that you actually noticed. Because I understand what you say about both trailer intros showing females walking around, acting cute, and using their paintbrushes. But these similarities are on such a basic level, that I can't see any actual connection between both. Especially since, and this is why I insisted on the historical record, the Pictomancer has always had that vibe about it and the model has a reason to look and act like that, so I believe that that was the most logical and straightforward way to make the intro.

Anyway, if you were right about what you assumed, I would instead had gone back point by point and I would even quote everything that you've ignored, disregarded or rewritten to your convenience to have a "gotcha" moment against you, like you thought that I wanted to do. However, it's not worth the effort to repeat something that I already said (and showed) several times for naught, or play your game of "I'm better than you" for real and not in a sarcastic way to show you the difference between my original posts and what you interpreted. I think that the rest of the posters don't deserve that, and I can see that it was a mistake to write the previous post in the tone that I wrote it in, since it seems to not have served the intended purpose. My honest apologies to everyone.

But you're right about one thing, thought: I didn't bother coming to the English forums in a very long time because there are way too many people like you (not a majority, but an annoying minority nonetheless), and that's something that almost everyone agrees on, even the devs and CM, apparently, since both stopped interacting here. I'm not saying that you're actually one of those, but you have been giving me such impression. You really assumed stuff that I think that I never hinted at originally, and kept avoiding answering directly despite doing my best to explain myself and properly back what I was saying. Misunderstandings happen, but you took it a step beyond way before my last post.

Have a good one. Unless you suddenly decide to answer what I asked you about in a concise and detailed way, since I won't assume that you won't ever do it. Otherwise, you win, if that makes you happy. And no, there's no sarcasm in this post.