Pictomancer's effects need some more work

[Cidel]

Drop the aggressivity and the sarcasm a bit, okay? Just because someone quotes the last person in a conversation (since there were a couple of them going on) doesn't mean that they dislike them or want to have a "gotcha" moment against them. You assumed all that by yourself, since I just provided some data and said nothing against you or your opinion there. I might have misunderstood part of what you originally said because your wording wasn't the best (as I mentioned in the previous post), but you really seem to take this as a personal attack of some sort even after I explained it in more detail, which I'll repeat again: what's shown in the trailer (aside from the job actions) is based on the job's thematic history (cutesy flavor included), which predates the other trailer and which is always included in each job trailer. In my opinion (which is as valid as yours and doesn't imply any kind of attack against you), it was the obvious way to showcase the job and doesn't have anything to do with a trailer that Lost Ark released 4 years ago. And I'm talking about the intro here, too, by the way. Moreover, the only similarities are that both characters are females using a giant paintbrush...

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...Anyway, as I said, I'm not here to pick up any fights and you seem to actually take this way too seriously and personally. So, maybe let's agree to disagree and leave it there.

Not any more aggressivity and sarcasm than the snark and condescension that's been littered in yours. If you think I'm merely just assuming you didn't casually drop in to provide that "data" as some kind of "the more you know" trivia rather than some sort of derision or counter-argument to me daring to imply Artist's trailer even had a possibility of influencing Pictomancer's; then again I ask, why did you even feel the need to respond? If you're quoting someone, typically you are directly responding to what they said or an idea they are conveying. Discounting the fact that right off the bat you didn't even address my original point and went straight to defending Pictomancer with largely unrelated trivia. If anything, you seem to have considered it a personal attack when I said to carefully reread what you were responding to and that you seem to take it seriously enough to want to bring in history of the job- enough to have a lengthy response to my two-sentence reply. So enough of the deflecting of who's offending who.

Last I was aware, Pictomancer's thematic history (not that there's a whole lot) didn't revolve around generally frolicking about and looking as blithe as possible; naturally it's about their use of art/paint in battle. There are several other depictions in different media of characters who bring their art to life to do battle as well. And it seems to be a stretch to imply that being cutesy is just part and parcel of FF's depiction, when something as recent as Bravely Default II's Pictomancer didn't display any of that at all. I already laid-out the similarities between the beginning of both trailers, and you not acknowledging anything beyond "both have females with big brushes" and using different scenery as an example is just being willfully obtuse or splitting hairs. You realize things don't have to be 1:1 carbon copies of each other to be similar, right? Something I'm sure companies are mindful of as much as possible and know where the lines are crossed.

I'm aware that Krile's been around for a while with that outfit (which is classically more aligned with the Devout advanced job, but there is seldom overlap), but how incidental that the character representing Pictomancer has cat ears as well. But justify it however you want.

If the similarities I pointed out just flew over your head because it's not an exact copy of the other, then I'm not sure what more else can be said. It's still looking like I seemed to have hit a nerve, given the lengths you seem to be going to defend the originality/integrity of Pictomancer's reveal trailer, contrary to your claim of not taking it seriously and not wanting "to pick a fight" (ie: argue?) Obviously, Pictomancer wasn't decided on a whim when Dawntrail was in development, but 2020 is before Endwalker's release anyway, so it's a moot point.

Free to leave it as that and disagree. Figured as much that it would be that outcome from your last post; but please, miss me with the holier than thou deflection on who's taking things seriously and personally as if you aren't typing walls of text either.

[Yshnal]

Not any more aggressivity and sarcasm than the snark and condescension that's been littered in yours. If you think I'm merely just assuming you didn't casually drop in to provide that "data" as some kind of "the more you know" trivia rather than some sort of derision or counter-argument to me daring to imply Artist's trailer even had a possibility of influencing Pictomancer's; then again I ask, why did you even feel the need to respond? If you're quoting someone, typically you are directly responding to what they said or an idea they are conveying. Discounting the fact that right off the bat you didn't even address my original point and went straight to defending Pictomancer with largely unrelated trivia. If anything, you seem to have considered it a personal attack when I said to carefully reread what you were responding to and that you seem to take it seriously enough to want to bring in history of the job- enough to have a lengthy response to my two-sentence reply. So enough of the deflecting of who's offending who.

Last I was aware, Pictomancer's thematic history (not that there's a whole lot) didn't revolve around generally frolicking about and looking as blithe as possible; naturally it's about their use of art/paint in battle. There are several other depictions in different media of characters who bring their art to life to do battle as well. And it seems to be a stretch to imply that being cutesy is just part and parcel of FF's depiction, when something as recent as Bravely Default II's Pictomancer didn't display any of that at all. I already laid-out the similarities between the beginning of both trailers, and you not acknowledging anything beyond "both have females with big brushes" and using different scenery as an example is just being willfully obtuse or splitting hairs. You realize things don't have to be 1:1 carbon copies of each other to be similar, right? Something I'm sure companies are mindful of as much as possible and know where the lines are crossed.

I'm aware that Krile's been around for a while with that outfit (which is classically more aligned with the Devout advanced job, but there is seldom overlap), but how incidental that the character representing Pictomancer has cat ears as well. But justify it however you want.

If the similarities I pointed out just flew over your head because it's not an exact copy of the other, then I'm not sure what more else can be said. It's still looking like I seemed to have hit a nerve, given the lengths you seem to be going to defend the originality/integrity of Pictomancer's reveal trailer, contrary to your claim of not taking it seriously and not wanting "to pick a fight" (ie: argue?) Obviously, Pictomancer wasn't decided on a whim when Dawntrail was in development, but 2020 is before Endwalker's release anyway, so it's a moot point.

Free to leave it as that and disagree. Figured as much that it would be that outcome from your last post; but please, miss me with the holier than thou deflection on who's taking things seriously and personally as if you aren't typing walls of text either.

You were talking on a public forum, so of course I was going to feel the need to respond if I thought that I could add something. In the original post because you two were discussing about the possibility of the Pictomancer having been influenced in some way by the Artist's trailer (I'm paraphrasing you), to which I replied to show that it was a bit far fetched for sure, considering the historical data (more on that later). The rest is just you assuming things, as I said, and also projecting onto me (avoiding the point? condescension? WTF?). I was even trying to make light fun in my posts when I was directly criticizing something that I directly copied from what you actually wrote and that you promptly ignored, while your posts are filled with aggressivity and sarcasm, as well as more and more assumptions. It's getting tiring already.

But if you really want that hard to see me taking it a bit more seriously, which is what I get from your insistence on acting like that, let's focus on what you VERY conveniently cut and take a couple of minutes to actually look for stuff:

Artist: Cute short female, blonde, with a white short dress, blonde hair with pigtails, and a giant paintbrush on her back. She's happily walking on a green field full of pink and purple flowers. The camera changes and we see her waving with both hands towards the camera, and then does a cute dance and starts drawing on the ground with the huge paintbrush, to then move it around her while a black ink drawing of two flower threes covers the screen under her.

Pictomancer: Average sized female, blonde, with the hair up, wearing an artist-inspired cap with a feather, a black strapless crop top, a white short jacket with purple details, and some pants using the same design, the latter half-covered by a green and grey buttcape. Both the clothes and the model are heavily inspired by Relm as designed by Yoshitaka Amano. She's walking around the markets with a typical female hyur walking animation (very close to it), then she notices the camera, smiles, throws rainbow colored paint towards said camera and winks before finally covering it completely in paint.

So, what? Are the similarities that both are females using a paintbrush, as I said? I can't honestly see what you're talking about it looking like a parody.

By the way, if you're also talking about the extended trailer, Krile had ears in the outfit since ages ago (classical WHM clothes). Moreover, it was the only remaining Scion which hadn't gotten a job change yet, so it was the obvious pick considering both that, the aesthetics, and the character's magical background. I can't imagine how the trailer would've looked like if Krile had showcased the Viper and Derplander the Pictomancer... It might had been fun, tho, lol.

And no, they didn't just suddendly decide while working on Dawntrail that they wanted to include the Pictomancer. That was probably decided even before Endwalker was released, as it's usually the case with expansion content and themes.

Artist (same design as in the trailer):


Pictomancer (from the trailer, too):




Relm (Yoshitaka Amano's design from 1994):


Krile's ears when using the white mage job: https://twitter.com/allaganeyes/stat...88735317233664

Now, since you're talking about resemblances, what resembles what? Moreover, what actually looks like an exact copy of what? Neither the character's actions in the introductions NOR the designs (despite you actually saying so) look anything alike. Not even close. Otherwise, stop beating around the bush and tell me what specifically you think that looks similar, because you didn't lay out anything like you said. Maybe you should go back and read both what you said and what you didn't say? Perhaps you have some sort of short term memory loss, who knows. Anyway, I guess that most would agree with me that by looking at the "resemblances" no one in their sane mind would have originally thought that you were talking about the opening of the trailers alone and not about the actual skill showcases, which are much more similar despite the striking differences.

And yes, the Pictomancer actually has a history about acting cute and "frolicking about". Let's not forget that time that Relm blithely entered the battle stage while the rest of the party was already fighting and then trolled Ultros hard with her cuteness, for example (https://youtu.be/1gnZnEU9urU?feature=shared&t=100). It looks like you should check your "awareness" better. I don't even know what Bravely Default has to do with this, either, when it's a completely different IP that is obviously going to be able to have different aesthetics. However, apparently using Dissidia (such and obscure game!) as an example was a no-no for you. Funny, isn't it?

Also, in regards to Krile, I already explained the origins of the ears in the cloak (yes, you were wrong), as well as why she was the character chosen for the job (in the fragment that you chose to leave out on the quote). The rest is just you trying to desperately find something which is only in your apparently very rich imagination, to say the least. Did you want me to actually act as in your assumptions and projections?

All of the above is why historical data and dates are important, instead of just pulling conspiracy theories from out of your... hat?

Now, I'll patiently wait for you to be as detailed as I was and explain what concrete evidence you have to think that there any similarities beyond what I already acknowledged. Enlighten me and let's have some fun, if that's what you insist on. However, i won't be surprised if you don't do it, or if you make up stuff again. After all, you even made up stuff about what I wrote and even my intentions! Lastly, excuse me if I like and enjoy writing and I wrote too much before, since apparently one needs to have some hidden feelings in order to write and be detailed. I hope that you like it more now that I used the tone that you imagined!

Disclaimer: Most of this post is full of well-deserved sarcasm. For the obtuse ones that can't even distinguish between someone just discussing something and their own hallucinations, and which may now think that someone is angry at them. No, you aren't as important as you might believe to deserve that, buddy. But I hope that you understood the difference now.

[Cidel]

You were talking on a public forum, so of course I was going to feel the need to respond if I thought that I could add something. In the original post because you two were discussing about the possibility of the Pictomancer having been influenced in some way by the Artist's trailer (I'm paraphrasing you), to which I replied to show that it was a bit far fetched for sure, considering the historical data (more on that later). The rest is just you assuming things, as I said, and also projecting onto me (avoiding the point? condescension? WTF?). I was even trying to make light fun in my posts when I was directly criticizing something that I directly copied from what you actually wrote and that you promptly ignored, while your posts are filled with aggressivity and sarcasm, as well as more and more assumptions. It's getting tiring already.

First of all, thank you for continuing to prove my original point about you taking it seriously despite your initial denial of doing so. "Casual interactions," right. The longer you drag this on, the clearer it becomes that your intent was never to just "add something" so much as try to overtly shut down speculation or perceived besmirchment of Pictomancer. You keep desperately trying to bring the argument being about Pictomancer as a whole (from your very first reply here) being entirely influenced by Artist's mere existence when that was never the primary point, and then continue to engage in mental gymnastics and providing data to argue a completely different point all because you were apparently triggered (yes, triggered) by somebody's comment.

And yes, the more you continued to felt necessary to add, the more obvious your condescension became. Apparently, you're an expert of detecting aggression in people's typed posts, but oblivious to how you come across in your own. Adding "joking, lol" to the end of a sarcastic comment of your own doesn't make it "light fun" instead. So stop throwing stones atop that glass house of yours. What's really getting tiring is your disingenuous attempts at seeming like you were never here to start something or provoke a reaction when everything beyond your first post contained about as much passive-aggression and confrontational language that you apparently want to point out is coming from me.

And I'm not promptly ignoring anything more than you are/were, just because I don't address every petty, unrelated point you make. Which is rich, because you've already done that several times. You promptly seem to be getting bent when somebody doesn't acknowledge your points, but the fact that you have to ask me now what I found resemblance between the two trailers (go back and look) tells me you haven't actually been trying to engage in a "casual interaction" so much as you've been looking to argue for the sake of arguing while pretending to have some sort of moral high ground. So you broke down exactly what they're wearing and where they were with a synopsis of what each character did (btw, that isn't nearly as close to a Midlander Hyur normal walk as you make it sound like it is. Clearly more hop and skip in her step)? the vibe, presentation and general appearance of two things can be similar without being exact copies of each other. I shouldn't have to explain this nuance, but it's obvious that you are trying to split hairs and make 1:1 comparisons to discredit anyone who finds resemblance because clearly the thought triggers you. I only "VERY conveniently cut" that part out in the quote (which is the whole point of 2 sets of ellipsis in a quote) because the space it takes up in a mere quote is ridiculous.

Krile's ears when using the white mage job: https://twitter.com/allaganeyes/stat...88735317233664...

...Also, in regards to Krile, I already explained the origins of the ears in the cloak (yes, you were wrong), as well as why she was the character chosen for the job (in the fragment that you chose to leave out on the quote). The rest is just you trying to desperately find something which is only in your apparently very rich imagination, to say the least. Did you want me to actually act as in your assumptions and projections?

Nope, nice try. I correctly pointed out her outfit has more in common with the Devout class, with there being seldom overlap. It wasn't "conveniently ignored," you just don't actually read, but I've known this for majority of our interaction. So sorry, pulling up like the one exception to being White mage over Devout doesn't make me wrong, go look it up. Regardless, it has nothing to do with me pointing out the irony in the character wearing cat ears also ended up turning into a Pictomancer. But please, continue to argue that me noticing and pointing out that coincidence is my imagination.

Also I'm glad you found 16-bit sprites to be evidence that the job must be blithely frolicking about, lol. Bravely Default is published by SE and often borrows and uses the Final Fantasy line's jobs and gimmicks in their gameplay. It is a more recent game (but of course you should have known that, since you love recounting release dates so much) and also it pertains to a job class much like XIV rather than a single character, so that's why I felt it to be relevant; so why don't you take your own advice and check your awareness if you're going to start talking smack.

You continue to want to bring up historical facts of the job as if they have any bearing on what I originally made reference to and continue to prove my point about you taking the subject matter more serious than you pretend to, so I can tell there's clearly a paintbrush stuck in your... hat.

Now, I'll patiently wait for you...

I bet. Probably the most engagement you had on here in years, huh?

...to be as detailed as I was and explain what concrete evidence you have to think that there any similarities beyond what I already acknowledged. Enlighten me and let's have some fun, if that's what you insist on. However, i won't be surprised if you don't do it, or if you make up stuff again. After all, you even made up stuff about what I wrote and even my intentions! Lastly, excuse me if I like and enjoy writing and I wrote too much before, since apparently one needs to have some hidden feelings in order to write and be detailed. I hope that you like it more now that I used the tone that you imagined!

Except you haven't actually added anything else new worth engaging with besides pictures, besides asking questions I already acknowledged and showing your true colors as a confrontational and sarcastic person who likes to project and wanting to take this to a personal level. Really, that's the only enlightenment that needs to be had here. Which is why I didn't believe for a moment when you claimed you weren't trying to "pick up(?) a fight." You claim I'm making stuff up when I've basically pointed out observations before you taking upon yourself to attempt to "debunk" what I've observed. So, so far everything coming from you has actually been aggressive as you continue to prove my initial assessment of your point of even engaging in the first place. Thanks for dropping all pretenses; the whole: "I'm not trying to start anything but-" schtick was getting old. Don't act like you aren't relieved to finally own up to it now that somebody's called you out on it (lol).

I]Disclaimer: Most of this post is full of well-deserved sarcasm. For the obtuse ones that can't even distinguish between someone just discussing something and their own hallucinations, and which may now think that someone is angry at them. No, you aren't as important as you might believe to deserve that, buddy. But I hope that you understood the difference now.[/I]

"Pat, I'll take 'Continuing to Pretend to Have the Moral High Ground While Being Pretentious' for 500, please."

[Yshnal]

Firstof all, thank you for continuing to prove my original point about you taking it seriously despite your initial denial of doing so. "Casual interactions," right. The longer you drag this on, the clearer it becomes that your intent was never to just "add something" so much as try to overtly shut down speculation or perceived besmirchment of Pictomancer. You keep desperately trying to bring the argument being about Pictomancer as a whole (from your very first reply here) being entirely influenced by Artist's mere existence when that was never the primary point, and then continue to engage in mental gymnastics and providing data to argue a completely different point all because you were apparently triggered (yes, triggered) by somebody's comment.

And yes, the more you continued to felt necessary to add, the more obvious your condescension became. Apparently, you're an expert of detecting aggression in people's typed posts, but oblivious to how you come across in your own. Adding "joking, lol" to the end of a sarcastic comment of your own doesn't make it "light fun" instead. So stop throwing stones atop that glass house of yours. What's really getting tiring is your disingenuous attempts at seeming like you were never here to start something or provoke a reaction when everything beyond your first post contained about as much passive-aggression and confrontational language that you apparently want to point out is coming from me.

And I'm not promptly ignoring anything more than you are/were, just because I don't address every petty, unrelated point you make. Which is rich, because you've already done that several times. You promptly seem to be getting bent when somebody doesn't acknowledge your points, but the fact that you have to ask me now what I found resemblance between the two trailers (go back and look) tells me you haven't actually been trying to engage in a "casual interaction" so much as you've been looking to argue for the sake of arguing while pretending to have some sort of moral high ground. So you broke down exactly what they're wearing and where they were with a synopsis of what each character did (btw, that isn't nearly as close to a Midlander Hyur normal walk as you make it sound like it is. Clearly more hop and skip in her step)? the vibe, presentation and general appearance of two things can be similar without being exact copies of each other. I shouldn't have to explain this nuance, but it's obvious that you are trying to split hairs and make 1:1 comparisons to discredit anyone who finds resemblance because clearly the thought triggers you. I only "VERY conveniently cut" that part out in the quote (which is the whole point of 2 sets of ellipsis in a quote) because the space it takes up in a mere quote is ridiculous.


Nope, nice try. I correctly pointed out her outfit has more in common with the Devout class, with there being seldom overlap. It wasn't "conveniently ignored," you just don't actually read, but I've known this for majority of our interaction. So sorry, pulling up like the one exception to being White mage over Devout doesn't make me wrong, go look it up. Regardless, it has nothing to do with me pointing out the irony in the character wearing cat ears also ended up turning into a Pictomancer. But please, continue to argue that me noticing and pointing out that coincidence is my imagination.

Also I'm glad you found 16-bit sprites to be evidence that the job must be blithely frolicking about, lol. Bravely Default is published by SE and often borrows and uses the Final Fantasy line's jobs and gimmicks in their gameplay. It is a more recent game (but of course you should have known that, since you love recounting release dates so much) and also it pertains to a job class much like XIV rather than a single character, so that's why I felt it to be relevant; so why don't you take your own advice and check your awareness if you're going to start talking smack.

You continue to want to bring up historical facts of the job as if they have any bearing on what I originally made reference to and continue to prove my point about you taking the subject matter more serious than you pretend to, so I can tell there's clearly a paintbrush stuck in your... hat.



I bet. Probably the most engagement you had on here in years, huh?




Except you haven't actually added anything else new worth engaging with besides pictures, besides asking questions I already acknowledged and showing your true colors as a confrontational and sarcastic person who likes to project and wanting to take this to a personal level. Really, that's the only enlightenment that needs to be had here. Which is why I didn't believe for a moment when you claimed you weren't trying to "pick up(?) a fight." You claim I'm making stuff up when I've basically pointed out observations before you taking upon yourself to attempt to "debunk" what I've observed. So, so far everything coming from you has actually been aggressive as you continue to prove my initial assessment of your point of even engaging in the first place. Thanks for dropping all pretenses; the whole: "I'm not trying to start anything but-" schtick was getting old. Don't act like you aren't relieved to finally own up to it now that somebody's called you out on it (lol).



"Pat, I'll take 'Continuing to Pretend to Have the Moral High Ground While Being Pretentious' for 500, please."

It's both interesting and sad that you made such an effort in trying to analyze both me and the supposed implications of that post (missing the intention of the obviously different tone in the process), yet somehow didn't bother to address directly the comparisons and actually explain what exactly is the base for your opinion, instead of some vague "the intros look similar" or "their choice of model and behavior are similar" or "both use blonde cutesy girls" or "they have the same vibe", and the likes. I wasn't kidding when I said two posts ago that I was honestly wondering what made you specifically think that way, or three posts ago about how you would have made the job trailer to look different enough in that sense for you. I'm still wondering right now what legit makes you think about the Pictomancer looking more similarly shown to the way the Artist also was in its trailer than to what it has always looked like in the Final Fantasy games (I reduce this to FF games because, for example, there aren't chocobos or moogles in BD, as it's a different IP that doesn't repeat the usual FF tropes, other than taking inspiration from some) that it has appeared in. You might jump on the gun again at me for saying this, but my honest opinion is that you're just grasping at straws there to find something that isn't even there. But I'm really wondering if somehow I can't notice some important details in the trailers that you actually noticed. Because I understand what you say about both trailer intros showing females walking around, acting cute, and using their paintbrushes. But these similarities are on such a basic level, that I can't see any actual connection between both. Especially since, and this is why I insisted on the historical record, the Pictomancer has always had that vibe about it and the model has a reason to look and act like that, so I believe that that was the most logical and straightforward way to make the intro.

Anyway, if you were right about what you assumed, I would instead had gone back point by point and I would even quote everything that you've ignored, disregarded or rewritten to your convenience to have a "gotcha" moment against you, like you thought that I wanted to do. However, it's not worth the effort to repeat something that I already said (and showed) several times for naught, or play your game of "I'm better than you" for real and not in a sarcastic way to show you the difference between my original posts and what you interpreted. I think that the rest of the posters don't deserve that, and I can see that it was a mistake to write the previous post in the tone that I wrote it in, since it seems to not have served the intended purpose. My honest apologies to everyone.

But you're right about one thing, thought: I didn't bother coming to the English forums in a very long time because there are way too many people like you (not a majority, but an annoying minority nonetheless), and that's something that almost everyone agrees on, even the devs and CM, apparently, since both stopped interacting here. I'm not saying that you're actually one of those, but you have been giving me such impression. You really assumed stuff that I think that I never hinted at originally, and kept avoiding answering directly despite doing my best to explain myself and properly back what I was saying. Misunderstandings happen, but you took it a step beyond way before my last post.

Have a good one. Unless you suddenly decide to answer what I asked you about in a concise and detailed way, since I won't assume that you won't ever do it. Otherwise, you win, if that makes you happy. And no, there's no sarcasm in this post.

[Cidel]

It's both interesting and sad that you made such an effort in trying to analyze both me and the supposed implications of that post (missing the intention of the obviously different tone in the process), yet somehow didn't bother to address directly the comparisons and actually explain what exactly is the base for your opinion, instead of some vague "the intros look similar" or "their choice of model and behavior are similar" or "both use blonde cutesy girls" or "they have the same vibe", and the likes. I wasn't kidding when I said two posts ago that I was honestly wondering what made you specifically think that way, or three posts ago about how you would have made the job trailer to look different enough in that sense for you. I'm still wondering right now what legit makes you think about the Pictomancer looking more similarly shown to the way the Artist also was in its trailer than to what it has always looked like in the Final Fantasy games (I reduce this to FF games because, for example, there aren't chocobos or moogles in BD, as it's a different IP that doesn't repeat the usual FF tropes, other than taking inspiration from some) that it has appeared in. You might jump on the gun again at me for saying this, but my honest opinion is that you're just grasping at straws there to find something that isn't even there. But I'm really wondering if somehow I can't notice some important details in the trailers that you actually noticed. Because I understand what you say about both trailer intros showing females walking around, acting cute, and using their paintbrushes. But these similarities are on such a basic level, that I can't see any actual connection between both. Especially since, and this is why I insisted on the historical record, the Pictomancer has always had that vibe about it and the model has a reason to look and act like that, so I believe that that was the most logical and straightforward way to make the intro.

Anyway, if you were right about what you assumed, I would instead had gone back point by point and I would even quote everything that you've ignored, disregarded or rewritten to your convenience to have a "gotcha" moment against you, like you thought that I wanted to do. However, it's not worth the effort to repeat something that I already said (and showed) several times for naught, or play your game of "I'm better than you" for real and not in a sarcastic way to show you the difference between my original posts and what you interpreted. I think that the rest of the posters don't deserve that, and I can see that it was a mistake to write the previous post in the tone that I wrote it in, since it seems to not have served the intended purpose. My honest apologies to everyone.

But you're right about one thing, thought: I didn't bother coming to the English forums in a very long time because there are way too many people like you (not a majority, but an annoying minority nonetheless), and that's something that almost everyone agrees on, even the devs and CM, apparently, since both stopped interacting here. I'm not saying that you're actually one of those, but you have been giving me such impression. You really assumed stuff that I think that I never hinted at originally, and kept avoiding answering directly despite doing my best to explain myself and properly back what I was saying. Misunderstandings happen, but you took it a step beyond way before my last post.

Have a good one. Unless you suddenly decide to answer what I asked you about in a concise and detailed way, since I won't assume that you won't ever do it. Otherwise, you win, if that makes you happy. And no, there's no sarcasm in this post.

It's unfortunate, because a lot of that just perfectly described you as soon as you came onto the scene and posts beyond; but I'm not entirely sure if it's just lack of self-awareness to see how hard you project your rampant passive aggressiveness while calling-out others on how you get to interpret theirs. It's also unfortunate that nothing described is apparently sufficient enough for you, so you'll simply hand-wave it as "vague," simply because you disagree with it. But then again, your whole obsession has been to make peevish arguments picking apart unrelated data points nobody was debating and to turn an innocuous statement into something that has to be outlined and explained in great detail to your specific satisfaction. And any genuine questions you may have had were instantly buried under all the backhanded snark and I wasn't avoiding answering your questions as most sounded more rhetorical than anything else. I've already mentioned why and how I found the similarities (there's a couple more you glossed over, but given your proclivity to needing specific detail, probably wouldn't be up to your standards anyway), so what's the point in repeating myself?

My key take away from this whole interaction with you is that you took obvious offense to any implication of plagiarism on behalf of the company for some reason, no matter how flippant, when similarities were pointed out and you obviously take things a whole lot seriously than you pretend not to. The fact that you want to go "point by point" over something you clearly read more into than anybody else here based on how you interpreted my opinions is just a new level of pettiness that only solidifies my observation. You absolutely were actively seeking "gotcha" moments; these past two pages are a clear indication of that with all the fluff and lore you're been running in circles over. Your free to deny it; maybe you genuinely weren't, but you certainly came off as gunning for them. The fact that you think the "I'm better than you" game was my game certainly carries some tone-deafness; who engaged who first?

Saying both there "are way too many people like you" and "I'm not saying that you're actually one of those" are contradictory points, so I'm not sure why even bother mentioning it. Personally, I think less people would be willing to engage with individuals like you, that take comments not even directed at you too far and nearly demand that people explain their opinions to a satisfactory degree for you; and I'm glad I only run into individuals like yourself around here only once or twice during my 10+ years posting here. Misunderstanding certainly do happen, but clearly you decided to try to get a few jabs in your next reply when simply told to carefully reread what I had posted and your freedom to take what you quoted seriously. Don't act as if you were innocent during the early stages either and this is all on me.

Cheers then. I don't owe you any additional answers up to whatever standards you deign aren't beneath you. Coincidentally you're also right about one thing: there really wasn't any real sarcasm in your post; just the overbearing condescension that was always there from the start. So, par the course. "You do you."

au revoir.

[Yshnal]

It's unfortunate,because a lot of that just perfectly described you as soon as you came onto the scene and posts beyond; but I'm not entirely sure if it's just lack of self-awareness to see how hard you project your rampant passive aggressiveness while calling-out others on how you get to interpret theirs. It's also unfortunate that nothing described is apparently sufficient enough for you, so you'll simply hand-wave it as "vague," simply because you disagree with it. But then again, your whole obsession has been to make peevish arguments picking apart unrelated data points nobody was debating and to turn an innocuous statement into something that has to be outlined and explained in great detail to your specific satisfaction. And any genuine questions you may have had were instantly buried under all the backhanded snark and I wasn't avoiding answering your questions as most sounded more rhetorical than anything else. I've already mentioned why and how I found the similarities (there's a couple more you glossed over, but given your proclivity to needing specific detail, probably wouldn't be up to your standards anyway), so what's the point in repeating myself?

My key take away from this whole interaction with you is that you took obvious offense to any implication of plagiarism on behalf of the company for some reason, no matter how flippant, when similarities were pointed out and you obviously take things a whole lot seriously than you pretend not to. The fact that you want to go "point by point" over something you clearly read more into than anybody else here based on how you interpreted my opinions is just a new level of pettiness that only solidifies my observation. You absolutely were actively seeking "gotcha" moments; these past two pages are a clear indication of that with all the fluff and lore you're been running in circles over. Your free to deny it; maybe you genuinely weren't, but you certainly came off as gunning for them. The fact that you think the "I'm better than you" game was my game certainly carries some tone-deafness; who engaged who first?

Saying both there "are way too many people like you" and "I'm not saying that you're actually one of those" are contradictory points, so I'm not sure why even bother mentioning it. Personally, I think less people would be willing to engage with individuals like you, that take comments not even directed at you too far and nearly demand that people explain their opinions to a satisfactory degree for you; and I'm glad I only run into individuals like yourself around here only once or twice during my 10+ years posting here. Misunderstanding certainly do happen, but clearly you decided to try to get a few jabs in your next reply when simply told to carefully reread what I had posted and your freedom to take what you quoted seriously. Don't act as if you were innocent during the early stages either and this is all on me.

Cheers then. I don't owe you any additional answers up to whatever standards you deign aren't beneath you. Coincidentally you're also right about one thing: there really wasn't any real sarcasm in your post; just the overbearing condescension that was always there from the start. So, par the course. "You do you."

au revoir.

You're right, you don't even owe me (or anyone) an answer over anything. But you're confusing my insistence in trying to make you just clearly talk about the topic and stop judging or voicing my supposed thoughts in my stead, with me thinking that you owe me anything or that you should actually do it for some obscure reason. Well, to be fair I actually think that you owe something to anyone, and that's the benefit of the doubt and some respect. Because you don't know if you get the wrong impression because someone's first language isn't English or some similar things. I even apologised for using the wrong method to try and make you stop in that specific post, and I apologise again without "ifs" or "buts".

Anyway, no, I'm not defending SE. I (and many others as well) got in plenty of trouble in the past for criticizing them in these very same discussion boards for actual serious stuff like the changes that the cash shop brought to other areas of the game. This was never about defending the Pictomancer, as you said that you thought since the start, but about me not seeing what you were talking about in regards to any kind of similarities or implications.

Take care.

[Gordita]

I'll be blunt, seeing the animations that resemble that of genshin impact or some other game with mega kiddy vibes was unappealing to me

[Absurdity]

I'll be blunt, seeing the animations that resemble that of genshin impact or some other game with mega kiddy vibes was unappealing to me

Not just you. I don't mind the cartoony artstyle necessarily, but then the rest of the game needs to fit said artstyle and this one...doesn't.