Pictomancer's effects need some more work

[Cidel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgdg...nnel=rendermax

Wow. That's from about two years ago too. I'm not saying that XIV deciding to make Splatoon magePictomancer now is a rip-off of that Lost Ark game's Artist class trailer (might certainly be thinking it), but when the reveal trailer is also of a cutesy blond skipping onto the scene being all giggles and smiles before whipping out the brush and splattering paint...

What's really going on here?

(Their Artist class has way better-looking aesthetic effects btw)

[Merrigan]

Wow. That's from about two years ago too. I'm not saying that XIV deciding to make Splatoon magePictomancer now is a rip-off of that Lost Ark game's Artist class trailer (might certainly be thinking it), but when the reveal trailer is also of a cutesy blond skipping onto the scene being all giggles and smiles before whipping out the brush and splattering paint...

What's really going on here?

(Their Artist class has way better-looking aesthetic effects btw)

It's a much nicer design, yes. And ironically, the sense of destruction we get on Lost Ark only brings out the "cute" side of the character. A little lalafel with a paintbrush singing in a field of flowers... And BOOM, AN INK WHALE IN YOUR FACE.

Yup, would play that.

I'm not sure it's an inspiration, though. The pictomancer existed in FF before Lost Ark.

[Cidel]

I'm not sure it's an inspiration, though. The pictomancer existed in FF before Lost Ark.

Oh for sure, not arguing that. But the similarities between the two reveal trailers and general timing of it coming into the MMO scene seem a little too coincidental... ( ``/\

[KageTokage]

Quick and dirty edit of what I mean with the Nickelodeon splatters:



For me that was the first big turn off in the video... idk, doesn't it look better with more traditional shapes?

I think that basically pinned down what bugs me about the visual aesthetic of the job.

Making the paint effects look sloppier and less cartoony would definitely make it more appealing to me.

[Vhana]

Making the paint effects look sloppier.

I know this may seem like the nitpickiest nitpick of all time, but it's the tiny floaty perfect bubble-like circles that are in all the effects that bother me most. Why are they not droplets or splatter?

[Hanayumi]

Ehh... rather they just go fully into the paint/colorful/toony effect, not a huge fan of the mixed effects. The little poof of fire or the thin bolt of lightning, give me some swirly Windwaker explosions, or some over the top big zappy thunderbolts like Okami.

[Yshnal]

Oh for sure, not arguing that. But the similarities between the two reveal trailers and general timing of it coming into the MMO scene seem a little too coincidental... ( ``/\

Setting aside the fact that pictomancer existed in FF since 1994, in Dissidia: OO, Relm (Jan 2019) already had almost the same animations that FFXIV is using for the job. The paint strokes done when casting are even literal clones in style (technical limitations notwithstanding), the only difference being that Relm made an easel appear to "paint on it" (not really) and FFXIV's pictomancer does it directly on the air. Anyway, Lost Ark wasn't even released in Korea (Dec 2019) back then, and much less the Artist class (Jan 2021).

[Cidel]

Setting aside the fact that pictomancer existed in FF since 1994, in Dissidia: OO, Relm (Jan 2019) already had almost the same animations that FFXIV is using for the job. The paint strokes done when casting are even literal clones in style (technical limitations notwithstanding), the only difference being that Relm made an easel appear to "paint on it" (not really) and FFXIV's pictomancer does it directly on the air. Anyway, Lost Ark wasn't even released in Korea (Dec 2019) back then, and much less the Artist class (Jan 2021).

Go back and carefully read what I posted. Not even making a point over when the concept of the class was invented nor the paint stroke animations, but rather the reveal trailers and their overall vibes. Either way, you're free to continue to take it seriously.

[Yshnal]

Go back and carefully read what I posted. Not even making a point over when the concept of the class was invented nor the paint stroke animations, but rather the reveal trailers and their overall vibes. Either way, you're free to continue to take it seriously.

My point is that not only the trailers look nothing alike in my opinion (besides the characters in them being cute females using a giant paintbrush), but that what's shown in the trailer for the pictomancer are things that existed and looked that way since before Lost Ark or its Artist were released. It's hard to copy or even take inspiration from anything from the Artist's trailer from 2020 (date when the trailer was originally published) when what's shown here is the same stuff that a character from 2019 already did, and which was directly inspired by the 1994 version.

Or how else could they showcase the job? Because it's also the same format that they've always used for job reveals, with a small intro, then the character using the job actions (I already explained this) against a random monster, and then an outro. All of that while using a fitting music and tone for the job, reminiscent of its origins. I'm legit wondering, since you even literally said that you "might certainly be thinking" that the pictomancer (didn't mention the trailer there, by the way) is a rip-off of that Lost Ark game's Artist class trailer. I copied and pasted your words, so you might want to go back and carefully read what you posted (joking, lol). Moreover, I also fail to see whats "a little too coincidental" about the timing considering the differences in dates that I mentioned.

Anyway, and in all seriousness now, I'm not sure why you thought that I took anything seriously and not that I was making a casual interaction, which is also the only thing that I do on these forums nowadays. Or why you even felt the need to write that. But you do you, I guess. I'm not here to pick up any fights, and I think that I already explained myself well enough here. I hope.

[Mostly_Raxus]

remember all, it is meant to look cartoonish and fake, you are literally using magic to paint in mid air, and then animating the paintings with said magic.

i get the grievance that it doesn't fit with the rest of the colorless palate of the game but i for one enjoy the bright colors.

not every class is made for me or you, and i'm sure we all get it, i cant take dancer seriously for instance, but hey too many people enjoy it for me to want it be changed, i just play my weeby class i enjoy.