Can we have an honest conversation about the Scions? Dawn Trail

[DPZ2]

English players need to make up their damn mind about what script they want to follow. They only bring up the japanese original script when it's convenient for their argument.

And yet, in this instance, it concerns what many would consider a Major Plot Point.

So, do you declare yourself disappointed if Y'shtola never dies in the 20 year run of the game because "Matoya Said", but only in the English translation?

[StarRosie]

English players need to make up their damn mind about what script they want to follow. They only bring up the japanese original script when it's convenient for their argument.

Except this isn't JUST the Japanese script. It is every script OTHER then the English one. So when you have we'll say, 10 different scripts, and only 1 mentions a thing the other 9 don't...which is the wrong script here? Follow the English script if you like, I do, but overall if there is a pretty egregious discrepancy between the English script and every other one? I ignore that discrepancy.

[Boblawblah]

I don't have any real love for Y'shtola, but I don't think it really matters if they said her life force or aether. Either way, you know she's not going anywhere. Sure, they could make it clearer, but people that hate Y'shtola will still hate her and want her to die regardless of what the game says.

[Wasselin]

I don't have any real love for Y'shtola, but I don't think it really matters if they said her life force or aether. Either way, you know she's not going anywhere. Sure, they could make it clearer, but people that hate Y'shtola will still hate her and want her to die regardless of what the game says.

It's kind of funny. It's like they think if they can prove Y'shtola is supposed to die that Square Enix will have no choice but to kill her.

[Hausti]

Honestly they should send the damn twins on a journey for the duration of a expansion or two and let them come back as adults.
Everytime i see Alphinaud i feel like Kratos from GoW and be like "Shut up BOY!".

[Coulvre]

I also wish we could move on a little, or at least, focus more on the newer Scions and let the ones who have been major players for 10 years now have a bit of a rest.

But I know it won't happen simply because of how popular they are.

[NekoMataMata]

Honestly they should send the damn twins on a journey for the duration of a expansion or two and let them come back as adults.
Everytime i see Alphinaud i feel like Kratos from GoW and be like "Shut up BOY!".

This made me laugh. I don't even hate the twins, but I was disappointed to see them show up. I mean, I knew they would. It just feels like EW really concluded a lot of Alphi's character arc. We could afford to let them do something else. Let Alisaie find something she can truly do besides making jokes at Alphinaud's expense too.

[Ath192]

This made me laugh. I don't even hate the twins, but I was disappointed to see them show up. I mean, I knew they would. It just feels like EW really concluded a lot of Alphi's character arc. We could afford to let them do something else. Let Alisaie find something she can truly do besides making jokes at Alphinaud's expense too.

omg.... after playing this latest patch there they are... like gum stuck to a shoe. It's not like Alphinaud would ever be able to resist meddling in the politics of governments that don't concern him. Like at this point they're just clinging on for entertainment to us. I wish they'd stay in Garlemald.

[Banriikku]

Hate Yshtola ? How, for that she needs a personality or character or anything. In short Yshtola is a marketing "thing" and has nothing else going on at the moment.
She is a Mary Sue and can be switched out. Kill Captain Catgirl and make Graha the next in line.. and look at that almost no changes in the story are needed besides the gender language on certain points. If you now argue but the little familiar then sorry do we play diffrent games ? That story is so stupid and a bore without any point that Grahas Burger moment has more to offer than this and has more personality (i want that burger).
Thats it: Make Grahas Burger eating moment the reason we can beat gods/demons/whatever... atleast it would be funny. The Burger LB

On a more serious note. The scions have nothing ghoing on. Graha is now the fanboi but in certain moments incredible powerfull for no reason and in the next he is not. Than we have Yshtola that regresses in mental age the moment the writers cant come up with something. Krile is a teacher, researcher regarding the lore but instead most of the time the helpless Princesis MCGuffin. The twins are here to humor us on the wrong places to take out the pacing. Thancred is.... a story hook when needed otherwise a ghost. Urianger was extremly interesting, a figure shred, sly, cunning and very secretiv but now he is nothing and only there to give us a information or a hook. He has no involvment. No scion has something going on everything feels disconnected. As if the scions are in reallity evil and we are constantly deceived. (Btw that would be cool - SE you can use that for an xpac)

All this is a sign of failure in direction and keeping the story together. HW to SHB never happened ,atleast for the scions, mentally. Everybody regressed to ARR level. As if nothing happend after ARR.

Tropes are fine but can we have scions with personality?
If all that is not a problem, then i am old and yelling at a cloud.

[Eisi]

I think what they should do with Y'shtola is obvious:

-find a way to cross dimensions
-return to the First
-it turns out Runar got a girlfriend in the mean time
-Y'shtola realizes that she might actually either a) have had feelings for Runar all along or b) have a part that wants to eventually settle down herself and start a family
-she has to decide how she wants to proceed given her ability and perhaps perceived duty to the star
-involve Matoya somehow, maybe Matoya dies of natural causes, cause she's old
-realize that Urianger and her would actually be a match made in heaven

one of the coolest things Final Fantasy does is make boring, bland and one-dimensional characters with superpowers relatable and grounds them in normal human stuff. This is why Terra from FFVI is such a great character, in the second half she really becomes an actual person when she finds something in the world to protect and care about. And it just so happens to be an orphanage full of children who lost their parents in the apocalypse, which is about as normal and grounded as you can go in FF.

It's also obvious that the game needs more romance, there is barely any. You can say that it's because of the player who should be able to you know pretend that they romance any of the cast, but let's be honest that's just fanfiction at the end of the day anyway. Also just because you want to roleplay your char being in love with Y'shtola doesn't mean that Y'shtola has to therefore become some sort of extension of your wish in terms of writing. In FFX I wanted to romance Lulu rather than Yuna, did I get the option? No and it's better that way. You can still flirt with Lulu tho, which is nice! Still she decides for Wakka in the end, cause she's her own person.