Female Hrothgar muzzle looks too small [Feedback]

[gatitatatita]

I don't know if making a separate thread instead of adding to a big one is going to help the devs see our feedback, but I really want them to get the beastial faces for the fem hroth right.

I understand that they were never going to look as beastly as male hrothgar, but I do think the muzzles could be improved on, because as of now they look incredibly uncanny. They look more like a human woman wearing latex makeup, so the issue here is that the upper lips are too small, and the mouth opening is also too small to resemble an actual feline's mouth. I don't think making the muzzles longer is a solution here, thinking realistically, but rather making anatomical tweaks around the upper lips and the mouth corners could work as a solution. So for starters, pulling the corners of the mouth into the face so that they align with the eyes in a profile view and making the upper lips fuller and rounder is the way to go in my opinion.





Thinking from the perspective that would give the devs as little trouble as possible, I really think making the mouth look less human would be perfect to achieve that animal look for the mouth while keeping the elegance of the design. If lions are too exaggeratedly "masculine" to use as a reference, at least use housecats as reference so their animal faces stop looking so uncanny.


The mouth corners are important to make this design work!





Comparing to a male hrothgar which doesn't have this problem, they look almost like they're from different species, but I think I made my point!

EDIT: To reiterate, this feedback is mostly aimed at the brown hrothgar from the trailer, as she has the most uncanny face out of all of them. It's a shame their faces can't look AS beastly as male hrothgars, but I'm still happy beyond measure to have beastial faces at all. At the end of the day I'm incredibly happy with the work SE has done up until now, and I look forward to fanta into them when 7.0 comes!

Also I really wish we get actual fang options for them, but I don't know if that's in the dev's plans. Either way, Thank you for listening!

[RidUmb]

I already said it in the other Thread: I really love your edits! They would look sooo much better with the lion mouth.
Hope the devs will see this Thread!

I also hope we will be able to toggle their theeth just like the male ones

[Roda]

Love these edits and they definitely fix everything that catches my eye as off when I look at the faces.

My favorite of the faces they showed was definitely that icy blue one purely because there was more volume to her snout region.

If the males looked more like ronso, i'd've been ok with how the females look, but since the males take on a more bestial snout, it's only fair the females should too~

[VilaSirocco]

OOOH yeah these edits definitely feels like a rather simple tweak that drags them out of the awkward zone they're in, and makes them more in line with the male hrothgar. I'd love to see them embrace the lioness look a little more before full launch.

[Qurho]

I've gotta add my support here too. I really don't have any particular issue with the length of the muzzle (the trailer faces in profile seem on par with the faces the men have), but I agree that adding some definition around the lips would help considerably for the folks who feel there's something uncanny or flat about the face.

[Lurial]

Just chipping in that the female hrothgar faces definitely do have a creepy uncanny valley look right now and these edits immediately make it feel much better.

[Kirveskari]

Chiming in with my support as well. I do like the design of the female Hrothgar and am thrilled to see them added to the game, but they do have the slight appearance of a female Roegadyn wearing a rubber nose prosthetic, rather than the nose and mouth being integrated with the rest of the design of the face.

Even just slight changes to the shape of the nose and the corners of the mouth, especially as demonstrated in these excellent edits, would go a long way to making the face shape appear more "natural" and in line with the male Hrothgar facial anatomy.

[Kaubocks]

I agree with this, and like your edited examples.

[Baguette9]

I'm in favor of this. They should adjust the faces to match the existing male models, if nothing else. Like when the Male Viera had those weird spines and they changed those.

[gatitatatita]

Thank you for the positive feedback guys! I'm unsure if the dev team will see these, let alone implement these changes, but I've been waiting for these lion women for years and I was so conflicted when the trailer dropped :'3

At least the light blue hrothgar seems to have the most animalistic mouth out of all of them so unless the yet unseen face remedies those concerns when the benchmark gets released, it would mean the world to have the beastial faces look less uncanny in comparison to male hroths.