The hate for limited jobs is unjustified

[Nestama]

There's quite literally nothing stopping SE from making it a real job. You can keep the specific rewards/quests/gameplay, and make a separate mode with a proper rotation for current content. No one would mind that, because that "limited" content would still be there.

Instead, limited jobs are a disguised "old dungeon revival" from WoW with fancy animations. Especially for people who wanted Beastmaster as a regular job, that could have been done. I think that's a shame.

Issue with making them a real job is that you will have to take away the one thing that set them apart from other Jobs in FFV/FFXI. BLU will not learn spells from monsters (only from Job quests and then eventually from just levelling up. Spells will be cycled out per expansion) and you will not catch monsters in Jugs, instead being given a set similar to SMN that you cycle through your rotation (sheep, crab, vulture).

[Saraide]

the cooldown on diamond back is what 2minutes max? diamond back completly nerfs mecanics - see eden 8 savage blu mage guide
if the solution is to remove the op stuff, then you remove the fun of blu entirely. if you want a blu that isnt a blue then play picto or something else.. a job shouldnt get castrated just to masquerade in current content for nostaligias sake

Huh? What I mean is you can throw blue mage into duty roulette as is and it's going to be okay.

Also diamond back has no cooldown other than being a GCD.

[sindriiisgaming]

BLU itself was great. BST could also be good. Limited jobs were a mistake and suck out any potential fun that could've been had. While they're (comparatively) unique, there's almost no real reason for them to exist other than to give the middle finger to the people who have been itching for said classes. It's side content at best with underwhelming rewards for doing it.

Why do something like HW or SB extremes with blue mage or beastmaster when I could just as easily unsync it normally? Why bother leveling it since I can't do anything that's relevant? What is the purpose of this existing when it feels like even the devs don't care about it?

You'd think that with how much the concept of the limited job was panned, yoshi-p would've learned but here we are again.

oh boy...

Limited jobs were a mistake and suck out any potential fun that could've been had.

have you done anything hard on them? have u played all of the real content there is for blu? i have. its a blast. being able to poison enemies to death, tank and heal is a blast. im sorry u dont find it fun, but thats entirley subjective

there's almost no real reason for them to exist other than to give the middle finger to the people who have been itching for said classes.

this is very entitled. you were told from the start blu would limited. you were promised nothing and so you were not decieved or lied to. they are an alternitive "arcade mode" form of job, and yet they can still participate in a great many types of content, are they current. no. what would happen if it was.. every other job would be unplayed and unoptimial.. why play rpr when i can just diamond back the realy hard mecanics

It's side content at best with underwhelming rewards for doing it.

also subjective, most rewards in the game are nothing different. blue mages gives a weapon/glam/mount for clarification-

Why do something like HW or SB extremes with blue mage or beastmaster when I could just as easily unsync it normally?

because clearing it with blu involves actually skill and planning. so many ppl do it. so obv they are seeing something you are not. personally find it fun

What is the purpose of this existing when it feels like even the devs don't care about it?

because thats just how you feel. it isnt reality. and it isnt informed

[sindriiisgaming]

Huh? What I mean is you can throw blue mage into duty roulette as is and it's going to be okay.

Also diamond back has no cooldown other than being a GCD.

really? so its ok that i should spam ultravibration on the mobs and kill them 1 hit.. you did know about that didnt you?

[Xuke]

I do think sometime in the future (perhaps maybe post 10.0) these limited jobs won't be limited since all that'll ever be made will be out. Though I have a sinking feeling that these jobs will still be ten levels behind the main jobs. For example lets say we are level 200 by 10.0 beyond and these jobs will remain at 190 even when the game won't probably be receiving anymore expansions or content updates. As there seems to be, in my experience, more people wanting to do MINE(Minimum Ilevel No Echo) with our content now I think these jobs will have a place if the stigma can be overlooked. You can have at least 1 party slot for BLU in a party and for other future limited jobs if you don't want BLU.

Though going back to the stigmas it does go back to a time and even sometimes today where it was detrimental if you didn't have certain abilities. This has lessen much over the course of the game but you'll still find the odd person and BLU is no exception to this. This could be a simple fix on both parties where as the recruitment can a toggle a setting where they can have a BLU but the BLU has to have all abilities to join. I know that there's some people who wouldn't mind having or playing a BLU in roulettes to have them go faster and also having a toggle of having that option in the duty finder settings though I think the same rule should still apply. Having these be an option would help but as it stands there needs to be work through our culture as of now for it. The only way to do that is to play BLU in these MINE parties. The more people that have exposure to it then more it will become acceptable at least that's how I see the solution.

As for beastmaster I am personally super excited for that. I think a majority of people knew it was going to be a limited job, at least in my circles. As it stands, pet gameplay is very sparse as it was in the 2.0-4.0 days. As you can plainly see they've completely have gutted any or all interaction to be even be pet jobs at this point comparing this era with the others. Until they can actually make this a reality again it will remain limited. Though you can argue they could of took time to reintroduce pet interaction. I think that they wanted to in a way of releasing this job limited on how to tackle this rather than compromise what we have now. The last sentence of what I typed is extremely layered and it would be an immense reply If I did go down this rabbit hole pointing out all possible arguments. Hows, Whats, and whys really.

Continued in next post.

[Xuke]

I assume the class will be level 90 with BLU so I'd take the opportunity to definitely tackle the old content sync'd with it in friend's parties and, If I do get invited after asking and as well as getting the ok, party finder parties. I think limited jobs will always remain hated because of the well...limited nature of it regardless of how much we do as a collective have this push for it to be in parties. As long as majority of us players see this and are exposed to hearsay of them in a majority negative light, they will never be accepted.

Ultimately, it comes down to us as players to make an effort to have them and set the rules for them. Though again, not anytime soon people will just be doing old content sync'd just because. It's that "just because" part is the reason which, to most, is not worth to justify. Not many want to waste time well...wasting time in this video game. Oxymoronic but true.

[Saraide]

really? so its ok that i should spam ultravibration on the mobs and kill them 1 hit.. you did know about that didnt you?

You're going to spam a spell with a 2 minute cooldown? I wouldnt call that spam tbh. Yea trash mobs are going to be exploded but they are pretty boring anyway.

[Shougun]

I disliked limited not for the word but for what it was (was especially, it is better but I still would have wanted it normal). I am of the mind it would have been best as an advanced job (or unlimited as some people call it). First few posts on front page refence middle ground type concepts.

I will not ever agree that you couldn't have interesting acquisition mechanics in a regular job, that's pure nonsense imo. I would agree fully functioning death would be a problem, obviously lol. Though that could still be emotionally represented via trash pack death spell or heavy boss damage, etc. SE is too afraid to make things too interesting from each other, imo. Which is where we get people saying we can't have things. Like my great fear with beastmaster is people are like "it's not possible!" And they put it as a limited job to make it possible, meanwhile it's really gimped WoW hunter with less interesting opportunities. It is possible, they just need to 'figure it out'.

I feel limited is taking the easy way out, so far. I had first world loathe for the system initially (it's still a game), but even now I just dislike it and am not impressed as I find it a creative crutch rather than an example of creative genius.

[Allistar]

Issue with making them a real job is that you will have to take away the one thing that set them apart from other Jobs in FFV/FFXI. BLU will not learn spells from monsters (only from Job quests and then eventually from just levelling up. Spells will be cycled out per expansion) and you will not catch monsters in Jugs, instead being given a set similar to SMN that you cycle through your rotation (sheep, crab, vulture).

This was not always the case in XIV, we didn't just level up and get abilities or spells, so it is very possible that it can be implemented for BU and BST and any other jobs they plan on adding. Please stop talking as if everything in the game is absolute, changes happen all the time.

[GrizzlyTank]

Assuming Pictomancer is from the new world, then it's safe to say that it's the OG blue-mage.