Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
They look like you are the casual player: raiding for only a bit over a month and only clearing the first 2 floors of the current tier. So reading from you about what casual players do and what you think savage and ultimate prog people do feels a bit off.
The difficulty of savage isn't from the fights alone, it's dealing with the community that wants to do savage. From my experience, you always recruit for the max number of days possible and then expect to do less, because if someone tries to do a 3 day a week savage, the group absolutely will crumble to two days a week unless someone is literally recruiting and booting the second someone can't make 3 days. And also this tier was kind of bad because if someone didn't get into the early waves of people going full tilt through it, the group probably walled on p10s for a while and then either somehow managed to push through or just crumbled and disbanded.

Also, I'm not sure I'd call content where people are basically forced into a semi-static mercenary life "good content", considering how much dependency this content has on about 1% of the population putting diagrams and guides on the internet just so people can even stand a chance at doing them in a reasonable amount of time. Without freaking youtube and twitch savage and ultimate would be as bad as criterion savage and completely abandoned outside people bashing their skulls in. That isn't even taking into account that the body check hell they forced on people is basically softcore ultimate that no one really asked for. (Oh I'm just waiting for the next person to come in here and say "But people asked for harder content" again and then having to point out that was in regards to the non-hardmode content, not the savage and ultimate).