Solution 9 - Unfounded Speculation!

[Vallavia]

There is some Azymea worship outside of Eorzea. Or at least was. The church like structure in Azys La is from Meracydia and has Azymea symbols on it.

This has actually been addressed in this thread, which explains essentially that the Cathedral was dedicated to Sephirot and that Eorzeans later appropriated the sun symbol the Meracydians used for him to represent Azeyma.

[kaynide]

Slight correction. Oschon is actually the patron deity of Nym. That's why the dungeon is called "The Wanderer's" Palace, as it's a place of worship for him. As far as we know, Nymeia hasn't had a city devoted to her.

Easy mistake to make! I "knew" that but didn't bother to refresh my memory because the names are so similar (NYMeia, right?) Thanks for the correction!

...

I would hate to think it's just red herrings...but it could be

Of course I didn't mention, but it should be noted that outside of Eorzea religions don't necessarily follow the 12. Dalmasca specifically has a different system entirely..so it's possible Turali religion might not match anything we've come to know whatsoever.

[Raiya]

Emet Selch says at the end of Endwalker: "Some of che civilizazion in the reflections will surprise you"

So I think Solution 9 comes from another reflection. The other worlds have not had calamities, so it is likely that their civilization has advanced to a very high technological level.
The problem is how it arrive to the source

At this stage with all the FF9 references they're pulling right now expecially with the preorder items of Zidane/Garnet, the ark mount etc, I'd bet money at this stage on Solution 9 being from another shard originally, likely a destroyed one. It's not only the most logical explanation of how an advanced civilization would be on the source that's NOT Allag in origin and not already destroyed after 7 Calamities but also the only one that would have any reasonable sense, not to mention being how remote and out of the way it is, why the Ascians had not used it in the first place instead of Garlemald for their last world wrecking scheme. There's also the small fact that Y'shtola has been looking to unlock the secrets of travelling to other shards and between what they dropped in the post endwalker quests with how to travel between the 13th and Source as well as the fact we still have the ability to travel between the Source and 1st thanks to G'raha allowing us to attune to the Firsts aether network it's a given that this is how the other remaining shards eventually are accessed as well as bringing the first back into the narrative in some form later on.

[MikkoAkure]

This has actually been addressed in this thread, which explains essentially that the Cathedral was dedicated to Sephirot and that Eorzeans later appropriated the sun symbol the Meracydians used for him to represent Azeyma.

That’s not what that says.

That thing you linked says that the sun/Azeyma symbol the Allagans and the Meracydians used has the same origin that spread the symbol across the globe. The Allagans didn’t take that symbol from them.

In 1.0 there were Allagan runestones that would drop from leves or something that had the symbols of the Twelve on them and they could be traded in for special gear that gave an achievement when you equipped them all (I think the gear and achievements still exist). Considering that the Allagans eventually forsook religion and Meracydia wasn’t conquered until near the very end of the era, these runestones probably date to before Allag even knew Meracydia existed. So like that link says, the symbol for Azeyma has been around in both cultures before both cultures met.

The thing the Allagans did appropriate were the squiggly line runic patterns on some of the stonework around the temple.

The sun symbol has a shared origin for both civilizations, but it’s the other random runes that the Belah’dians mistakenly associated with Azeyma that are solely Meracydian yet show up in Qarn due to being copied from Allagan ruins which were copied from Meracydia. But all the symbols for the Twelve have been unchanged since the early Allag empire at the very least, if not well before that.

[Eloah]

Easy mistake to make! I "knew" that but didn't bother to refresh my memory because the names are so similar (NYMeia, right?) Thanks for the correction!

No problem, it is confusing. Like where did the name come from, if the worship Oschon? I only remember, because as a Scholar, I have to. Otherwise the Tonberries will hunt me down, and do unspeakable things to me. And I don't wanna go to another lecture about rancor, lol.

[Cleretic]

It's not only the most logical explanation of how an advanced civilization would be on the source that's NOT Allag in origin and not already destroyed after 7 Calamities but also the only one that would have any reasonable sense,

My counterargument to this theory is one word:

Bozja.

Bozja didn't just survive the calamity that killed Allag, it survived every single one afterwards, too. Most of the Far East seemed to survive them, in fact, but Bozja's a good one to highlight because they weren't exactly a superpower with a lot of ways to survive major disasters; in fact, they're kind of a mess. The Calamities aren't actually global, the Ascians just kept cooking them up on Eorzea to the point where they were marking the calendar by them; by the time you get to Othard, they're a blip. How hard they hit Ilsabard is a mystery, but Tural is much further out than that.

I find it absolutely unsurprising that a civilization in Tural could've just... survived a few Calamities with no more knowledge of them than 'those guys over the pond blew themselves up again'. Especially one as advanced as Solution Nine And that's even putting aside that all our evidence that they are super-old is circumstantial to the point where I don't necessarily buy it.

[Iscah]

I'd bet money at this stage on Solution 9 being from another shard originally, likely a destroyed one. It's not only the most logical explanation of how an advanced civilization would be on the source that's NOT Allag in origin and not already destroyed after 7 Calamities but also the only one that would have any reasonable sense

You're assuming that an advanced civilisation has to be ancient. It does not.

For that matter, we still don't even definitely know whether it is actually "advanced" or just suited to its location in a way that reads as advanced to us but might just look mystical to the characters.

[kaynide]

My counterargument to this theory is one word:

Bozja.

Bozja didn't just survive the calamity that killed Allag, it survived every single one afterwards, too. Most of the Far East seemed to survive them, in fact, but Bozja's a good one to highlight because they weren't exactly a superpower with a lot of ways to survive major disasters; in fact, they're kind of a mess. The Calamities aren't actually global, the Ascians just kept cooking them up on Eorzea to the point where they were marking the calendar by them; by the time you get to Othard, they're a blip. How hard they hit Ilsabard is a mystery, but Tural is much further out than that.

I find it absolutely unsurprising that a civilization in Tural could've just... survived a few Calamities with no more knowledge of them than 'those guys over the pond blew themselves up again'. Especially one as advanced as Solution Nine And that's even putting aside that all our evidence that they are super-old is circumstantial to the point where I don't necessarily buy it.

This raises a point for wild speculation:.

Assuming Tural was largely unaffected by Eorzean calamities, and had their irregular “wtf, they blew themselves up again” moments/recorded history, the recent crisis with citizens turning into blasphemies could very well be seen as “omg wtf did they do THiS time??”.

Even though it wasn’t our fault, some in Tural might use it as justification for sending an army.

[Cleretic]

This raises a point for wild speculation:.

Assuming Tural was largely unaffected by Eorzean calamities, and had their irregular “wtf, they blew themselves up again” moments/recorded history, the recent crisis with citizens turning into blasphemies could very well be seen as “omg wtf did they do THiS time??”.

Even though it wasn’t our fault, some in Tural might use it as justification for sending an army.

I doubt this is true just because I get the idea that the Turalians probably wouldn't blame us for what seemed to be a worldwide tragedy (it's worth noting that they do have contact with Limsa so they wouldn't be totally blind to us), I do like the notion of someone's response to it being 'Okay it was PROBABLY you guys, what the hell'.

[Iscah]

The world map is always rather vague about marked location placements. From memory Ul'dah is further south than it should be and it generally seems a bit artistic over informational.