Solution 9 - Unfounded Speculation!

[kaynide]

Fair, I had forgotten about Omega, but that seems very much like we weren't so much "in the rift" as in a pocket dimension that Omega had constructed within the rift, which we saw collapse into nothingness once Omega's power ceased to support its existence.

Hildibrand... no comment. If anyone can manage to blithely end up out of bounds of reality, it's him.

Hildi's weird... despite it being so wacky there is a lot of really good lore dumps to be found. To be fair it's hard to tell what's just pure comedy and actually what's real-real/canon with his antics.

[Anteiron]

Emet Selch says at the end of Endwalker: "Some of che civilizazion in the reflections will surprise you"

So I think Solution 9 comes from another reflection. The other worlds have not had calamities, so it is likely that their civilization has advanced to a very high technological level.
The problem is how it arrive to the source

[Iscah]

Emet Selch says at the end of Endwalker: "Some of che civilizazion in the reflections will surprise you"

So I think Solution 9 comes from another reflection. The other worlds have not had calamities, so it is likely that their civilization has advanced to a very high technological level.
The problem is how it arrive to the source

The "problem" is that people keep drawing this flimsiest of connections to a line that is probably just paving the way for us to actually visit other reflections (plural) in the future. It also assumes that we're going to burn through all of Emet's sightseeing recommendations in a single expansion and leave nothing for later.

Additionally, after Y'shtola has put so much work into devising a way to cross the rift, it seems unfair to just drop the answer in her lap from a civilisation that already has it figured out.

[Anteiron]

The "problem" is that people keep drawing this flimsiest of connections to a line that is probably just paving the way for us to actually visit other reflections (plural) in the future. It also assumes that we're going to burn through all of Emet's sightseeing recommendations in a single expansion and leave nothing for later.

Additionally, after Y'shtola has put so much work into devising a way to cross the rift, it seems unfair to just drop the answer in her lap from a civilisation that already has it figured out.

What if it were Y'shtola's experiments that brought solution nine to the source? Maybe I remember wrong, but she was the only one we didn't see leave for the new world.

[Vyrerus]

The "problem" is that people keep drawing this flimsiest of connections to a line that is probably just paving the way for us to actually visit other reflections (plural) in the future. It also assumes that we're going to burn through all of Emet's sightseeing recommendations in a single expansion and leave nothing for later.

Additionally, after Y'shtola has put so much work into devising a way to cross the rift, it seems unfair to just drop the answer in her lap from a civilisation that already has it figured out.

I mean... that's kind of what always happens though. The dropping of solutions into her lap. See 6.55 with Cid's offscreen innovation to make the whole funnel Light from The First to the Thirteenth, and Y'shtola just showing up with the device as if it were no big deal.

See again the solution for Tempering.

See again the antidote for the poison back in SHB.

See again The House of the Crooked Coin for Seiryu's Wall.

I'm sure if Solution 9 has her answer, we'll have to fight a dungeon for it or whatever, but I kind of doubt she's gonna innovate a portal on her own. That is what would be uncharacteristic of XIV and Y'shtola related situations.

[kaynide]

Wellll, if we want to speculate on whether S9 is even around or not, some details "that are probably true" if we take what we've learned at face value:

1) Tural had been in a state of constant war up until ~80 years ago.
2) The capital city of Tuliyollal was founded by the current Dawnservant Gulool Ja Ja, who unified the varied "disparate" peoples.
3) We don't know if Tuliyollal was founded on older ruins that predate the current city-state.
4) One of the four claimants to the throne (who remains unnamed), sees the fall of the Garlean Empire as a reason to invade/conquer Eorzea/Othard/whatever.

Which raises questions...

If S9 exists and is known,
1) why isn't IT the dominant nation on the continent, or the seat of power if incorporated into the wider Turali people?
2) why would the "Evil" claimant wanted conquest, why choose to sail across the seas and do arguably a much more complicated conquest/expansion INSTEAD of just marching north?
3) and on that, why move their armies away so they couldn't defend against potentially aggressive actions from S9?

So...
A) it's pacifist/isolationist aka Sharlayan 2: Electric Bugaboo
B) it is "unknown" to the general population
C) something is wrong (cursed/frozen in time/dimensional rift/shifted in some weird way)
D) Exdeath? Exdeath.

[Cleretic]

If S9 exists and is known,
1) why isn't IT the dominant nation on the continent, or the seat of power if incorporated into the wider Turali people?
2) why would the "Evil" claimant wanted conquest, why choose to sail across the seas and do arguably a much more complicated conquest/expansion INSTEAD of just marching north?
3) and on that, why move their armies away so they couldn't defend against potentially aggressive actions from S9?

1. Not interested in being that, and/or perhaps just not politically active enough to take that crown. Tulliyolal is the throne of the guy that unified the continent, after all.
2. Already part of Tural as a society.
3. Already part of Tural as a society.

Your reading seems to assume that Solution Nine would inherently be the head of Turalian society if it was involved at all, and so since Tulliyolal is, Solution Nine must therefore be uninvolved. But honestly, my read is that Solution Nine is a goddamn repository of high-tech combat-ready equipment, and the warmonger is going 'We have all this firepower RIGHT HERE, why don't we just go overseas and USE IT'. And everyone else is just telling him 'no, war sucks, knock it off'.

[kaynide]

1. Not interested in being that, and/or perhaps just not politically active enough to take that crown. Tulliyolal is the throne of the guy that unified the continent, after all.
2. Already part of Tural as a society.
3. Already part of Tural as a society.

Your reading seems to assume that Solution Nine would inherently be the head of Turalian society if it was involved at all, and so since Tulliyolal is, Solution Nine must therefore be uninvolved. But honestly, my read is that Solution Nine is a goddamn repository of high-tech combat-ready equipment, and the warmonger is going 'We have all this firepower RIGHT HERE, why don't we just go overseas and USE IT'. And everyone else is just telling him 'no, war sucks, knock it off'.

If S9 is part of the nation, why is it not the seat of power? Why would you live in what is essentially monster-hunter “bone-punk” conditions when you have NeoTokyo with whatever amenities they have right down the street.

[Cleretic]

If S9 is part of the nation, why is it not the seat of power?

I dunno, let's ask the people who live in Washington DC. Or Canberra. Or Beijing, or Ottowa, or Hanoi. Or perhaps the best people to bring in, Brasilia.

There are plenty of real-world nations that have made this exact choice. The original reasons usually stem from either tactical (Ottowa was the most defensible city in Canada back when they picked) or political (Canberra was founded to be the capital of Australia mainly so Sydney and Melbourne would stop fighting over it), but in a lot of cases it eventually becomes historical; this city's the capital because it's always been the capital. Honestly, I think it's more realistic if Tural is exactly the same; Tulliyolal is the capital for reasons that probably made perfect sense 80+ years ago, and even if they don't apply anymore, does anyone really care enough to change it?

[kaynide]

I dunno, let's ask the people who live in Washington DC. Or Canberra. Or Beijing, or Ottowa, or Hanoi. Or perhaps the best people to bring in, Brasilia.

There are plenty of real-world nations that have made this exact choice. The original reasons usually stem from either tactical (Ottowa was the most defensible city in Canada back when they picked) or political (Canberra was founded to be the capital of Australia mainly so Sydney and Melbourne would stop fighting over it), but in a lot of cases it eventually becomes historical; this city's the capital because it's always been the capital. Honestly, I think it's more realistic if Tural is exactly the same; Tulliyolal is the capital for reasons that probably made perfect sense 80+ years ago, and even if they don't apply anymore, does anyone really care enough to change it?

Your argument would work if, say, Washington DC's level of tech/etc was grossly under, say, New York's...but fact of the matter is there isn't much of a technological difference, and a large bulk of USA's military/international power is around Washington DC (the Pentagon; Langley AFB; Norfolk Naval Shipyard, CIA). People in DC aren't stuck with handcarts and ye-olde Wagons with oxen.

Moreover, in the modern real world with Air-Power/mobilization, it's a significantly different scenario than Medieval-Spear-and-Sword troops riding on living mounts vs, again, what can arguably be the most advanced -living- civilization we've seen to date.

So, as I see it, the Yurali are either choosing to live primitively for no real logical reason, or there's some reason they aren't taking advantage of the tech from S9 (aka the 3 reasons listed).