Housing Plot Instanced

[Moqi]

However this is just players being picky about what they want.

And what's it to you if they are? Why are you so bothered by what other people think of this game... it doesn't concern you at all, it's not your game. Some people want instanced housing and are using this forum to let developers know. You fit nowhere in the process.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

It could always be set up so one plot is always the plot on display, with the instanced houses at the same location reached through a placard menu. There are a few ways to design such a system so it would work to satisfy the vast majority of players (will always be those few who find reason to complain).


Houses do not make a community. People make a community.

All the plots in my ward may be filled with houses decorated but it still feels like a ghost town without other players walking around.

Your idea has the potential to make wards feel more like communities by adding more owners to the ward (even if their plots are instanced) but it will be dependent on how many players will spend time in a specific ward to talk to others. The game has too many wards to make that likely to happen.

While I agree with the sentiment; the reason houses are a ghost town is more due to the convenience of the capital cities. That said it is nice to bump into your neighbors or to see a FC in your area gathered out front doing something (even hanging out)

Personally if folks want instanced housing I would make it simple and accessed similar to a apartment; just a door you walk in the capital cities to enter your "home"; the problem is I am already seeing the scope creep happen as now folks want yards and such; after which they will want special ward instances so that their FC can create a neighborhood...which will sound eerily familiar to some...

[Solowing]

And what's it to you if they are? Why are you so bothered by what other people think of this game... it doesn't concern you at all, it's not your game. Some people want instanced housing and are using this forum to let developers know. You fit nowhere in the process.

Welcome to a forum where people can disagree with you. If you seek a echo chamber, you won't find one here.

Why does my disagreement bother you? I don't mind plots are a limited resource. I think players appreciate plots more as players aren't just granted them

I joined prior to Apts, you had a arguement prior to that but once apt were introduced. This became a entitlement issue.

[Moqi]

What echo chamber, and who said what you're saying bothers me?

If you enjoy housing as it is good for you. You are not a dev so I don't really care what you have to say on the matter, I am just confused (not bothered) by your behaviour, dictating when people are allowed to have arguments, what and how they're supposed to a video game and calling people entitled over asking devs things they'd personally like to see in the future. I guess I will live with the mystery.

[Solowing]

What echo chamber, and who said what you're saying bothers me?

If you enjoy housing as it is good for you. You are not a dev so I don't really care what you have to say on the matter, I am just confused (not bothered) by your behaviour, dictating when people are allowed to have arguments, what and how they're supposed to a video game and calling people entitled over asking devs things they'd personally like to see in the future. I guess I will live with the mystery.

I'm sorry for the miscommunication. Everyone on the forum is allowed an opinion and my.opinion holds no more weight then anyone else's. I do enjoy the housing system here like a lot of people.

But I do enjoy the unique approach to plots this game uses. I think the limited nature does add to its appeal.

I am a fan of instanced housing as long as it doesn't undermine ward housing. Let it function like Island Sanctuarys entrance in one of the housing ward.thatll lead to a instanced plot. Same customization as a plot minus the ability for random to stumble apon your plot. Friends could see your name on the instance list.

[Jojoya]

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People want a instanced house that can be upgraded in size, can freely be visited like a ward house, have all the amenities of a FC house but isnt demolishable like a apt. Why would anyone want a plot?

Ask all those who post here that say they prefer ward housing and wouldn't use instanced.

Demolition isn't needed with instanced housing because an inactive player isn't taking up server space needed by an active player.

With ward housing, the inactive player is always taking up server space that could go to an active player instead. That's why demolition exists - to give active players a chance at getting a plot when supply is low. The side effect is the need to maintain a sub since you can't log in and enter without one (unless there's a free log-in campaign conveniently timed).

I doubt that instanced housing will be able to offer intercross gardening if it's dependent on a weather cycle as has been stated by SE in the past. There's one thing to retain interest in ward housing. SE doesn't have to add workshops to instanced housing. They can leave them as a ward housing feature, assuming they don't detach them completely. FCs could be required to stick to ward housing instead of getting access to the instanced housing.

Personally if folks want instanced housing I would make it simple and accessed similar to a apartment; just a door you walk in the capital cities to enter your "home"; the problem is I am already seeing the scope creep happen as now folks want yards and such; after which they will want special ward instances so that their FC can create a neighborhood...which will sound eerily familiar to some...

Place the "door" in the wards instead and it could encourage a more lively environment for those who want ward housing.

Personally I don't see FC "neighborhoods", whether ward or instanced, working out over the long run if SE were to try implementing them. Most FCs have too much turnover. I doubt instances could be designed large enough to handle a house for every member of the larger FCs. And of course then there's the drama when members don't get along.

[Solowing]

Ask all those who post here that say they prefer ward housing and wouldn't use instanced.

Demolition isn't needed with instanced housing because an inactive player isn't taking up server space needed by an active player.

With ward housing, the inactive player is always taking up server space that could go to an active player instead. That's why demolition exists - to give active players a chance at getting a plot when supply is low. The side effect is the need to maintain a sub since you can't log in and enter without one (unless there's a free log-in campaign conveniently timed).

I doubt that instanced housing will be able to offer intercross gardening if it's dependent on a weather cycle as has been stated by SE in the past. There's one thing to retain interest in ward housing. SE doesn't have to add workshops to instanced housing. They can leave them as a ward housing feature, assuming they don't detach them completely. FCs could be required to stick to ward housing instead of getting access to the instanced housing.


Place the "door" in the wards instead and it could encourage a more lively environment for those who want ward housing.

Personally I don't see FC "neighborhoods", whether ward or instanced, working out over the long run if SE were to try implementing them. Most FCs have too much turnover. I doubt instances could be designed large enough to handle a house for every member of the larger FCs. And of course then there's the drama when members don't get along.

My subscription hasn't lapsed since 2016, that's a 9 year streak, due in part I maintain my subscription to keep my plots. Now you can offer me a house that isn't able to be demolished. Sure it doesn't demolish. But S.E isn't going to want that free money walking away. In the current system I would lose both of them if I decided to take some time off. So I don't and my subscription continues.

With Ward Housing anyone who's plot is standing has been there within the last 45 days, if they havent then their plot went back up for bid. So everyone with a plot is considered active at the time.

A instanced plot (Not housing) (should) have a plot to plant stuff. But it should be limited to friends list. So you can do everything that plot owners can do. Except it lacks a physical space in the open and it isn't as easy to access for the masses. That way ward housing still has its appeal.

[Khryseis_Astra]

A instanced plot (Not housing) (should) have a plot to plant stuff. But it should be limited to friends list. So you can do everything that plot owners can do. Except it lacks a physical space in the open and it isn't as easy to access for the masses. That way ward housing still has its appeal.

No reason it can’t be a fully functional plot, inside and out, with the same visitation restrictions panel they already made for the Island.

If they actually did instanced housing, more than likely they’d only have a handful of themes, at least at first, so the appeal of ward housing would be getting a special spot with a view you like in your preferred district, as well as all the other reasons people like the neighborhood feel.

Now what I hope instanced would eventually get in the balance is a lot more creativity in the kinds of spaces it offers. Offer that handful of generic plots with all the residential themes, that operate just like a ward plot does now, inside and out. But then, get creative with it: make an Ishgardian townhouse with an outdoor courtyard and an accessible balcony. Make a Crystarium penthouse, with multiple floors and an accessible outdoor balcony. Make a caravan home with an outdoor camping spot in Thavnair somewhere. Make biodomes on the Moon! The possibilities for these kinds of themes are endless. Other games have been doing stuff like this for over a decade… I’d like to see that kind of creativity and variety brought to the game world I love most. It solves both the supply scarcity and adds options for more variety in the future. Not only would it allow for everyone to have their own housing space, but also the type of space they prefer, as well as the option for everyone to have multiple spaces if they choose without diminishing availability for others. My hope is that they will move in this direction going forward, and begin to think outside the Apartment, Small, Medium and Large boxes and really expand housing for the next planned decade.

[Jojoya]

My subscription hasn't lapsed since 2016, that's a 9 year streak, due in part I maintain my subscription to keep my plots. Now you can offer me a house that isn't able to be demolished. Sure it doesn't demolish. But S.E isn't going to want that free money walking away. In the current system I would lose both of them if I decided to take some time off. So I don't and my subscription continues.

With Ward Housing anyone who's plot is standing has been there within the last 45 days, if they havent then their plot went back up for bid. So everyone with a plot is considered active at the time.

A instanced plot (Not housing) (should) have a plot to plant stuff. But it should be limited to friends list. So you can do everything that plot owners can do. Except it lacks a physical space in the open and it isn't as easy to access for the masses. That way ward housing still has its appeal.

SE lets free money walk away all the time. Strange that I've had to keep pointing out for the last couple of months that demolition is suspended on the JP data centers still. That's one heck of a lot of free money they're potentially losing.

I think you mention there what the appeal of ward housing to many is - a physical presence in the "open" that instanced housing will lack. No need to restrict instanced housing to friends only when most players aren't going to go out of their way to search for the housing of random players yet it leaves the option open for those few players who would.

Most of those who like to casually tour houses will still stick to the wards for the convenience. A nicely decorated outside is more likely to lead to a nicely decorated inside so players get an idea of what to skip and what to check out. It would be a lot more hit and miss with instanced housing, unless SE were to implement a public like system such as RIFT had instead of keeping likes more private in the message books (you have to check the book to see the likes).

No reason it can’t be a fully functional plot, inside and out, with the same visitation restrictions panel they already made for the Island.

I doubt an improved instanced housing system would include intercross gardening (crossbreeding for seeds). Instances do not have actual weather like the open world does.

Don't forget that garden patches don't work on IS. If they didn't do it there, they are unlikely to do it with instanced housing.

That is one thing that will help retain appeal for the ward houses. If you want to get Thavnairian Onion seeds, they'll have to come from a ward house garden. If someone wants to buy seeds off the marketboard just to grow for the item, that would still be possible just as we can do it in apartments. But we would not be able to get seeds.

[Solowing]

SE lets free money walk away all the time. Strange that I've had to keep pointing out for the last couple of months that demolition is suspended on the JP data centers still. That's one heck of a lot of free money they're potentially losing.

I think you mention there what the appeal of ward housing to many is - a physical presence in the "open" that instanced housing will lack. No need to restrict instanced housing to friends only when most players aren't going to go out of their way to search for the housing of random players yet it leaves the option open for those few players who would.

Most of those who like to casually tour houses will still stick to the wards for the convenience. A nicely decorated outside is more likely to lead to a nicely decorated inside so players get an idea of what to skip and what to check out. It would be a lot more hit and miss with instanced housing, unless SE were to implement a public like system such as RIFT had instead of keeping likes more private in the message books (you have to check the book to see the likes).


I doubt an improved instanced housing system would include intercross gardening (crossbreeding for seeds). Instances do not have actual weather like the open world does.

Don't forget that garden patches don't work on IS. If they didn't do it there, they are unlikely to do it with instanced housing.

That is one thing that will help retain appeal for the ward houses. If you want to get Thavnairian Onion seeds, they'll have to come from a ward house garden. If someone wants to buy seeds off the marketboard just to grow for the item, that would still be possible just as we can do it in apartments. But we would not be able to get seeds.

They only turn off the demo timer for extraordinary circumstances, it will reenabled eventually.

What you're asking for is a instanced plot, with the same housing options as plot owner, same amenities, except not subjected to the same 14/45 day demo timer? The compromise is visibility. You get your plot , but your instance isnt as accessible for random players. That visibility should be left to ward plots as incentive to obtain a ward plot (which then puts you on the demo timer). If you just want an instanced space to decorate, open visibility should be the compromise.

Its a similar compromise to Apts. Apts are half the size of a small plot, however they don't get demod. So if you plan on coming and going a lot for months on end, a apt is a good choice for the non-committal.

A instanced house is good for people who don't want to go through the hassle of bidding for a plot, that their friends can still visit. However its friends list limited. (Venue owners are going to need to use the Apt as a venue or bid on a ward house)

Apts are smaller but have the visibility and cannot be demod.

Ward Plots are larger the apts have visibility and take up physical space but have a demo timer.

Edit: You can have a instanced plot, ward plot, and apartment