Housing Plot Instanced

[Jojoya]

I would argue with this to point out there is other content that players will also not get with large levels of effort/perseverance.

Yet if you clear whatever Savage fight was necessary and then join a group that then clears TOP, you will walk away with your funky glowy weapon. You're not going to be told "oh, so sorry that you've met all the requirements but your funky glowing weapon is out of stock. Please wait until one becomes available and then clear TOP again to get another chance to win it in a lottery against all the other players who also want that funky glowing weapon we're out of".

All the prevents a player from their Ultimate Weapon is their willingness/ability to go to the effort needed to earn it.

That is not true with housing, where there are artificial limits on how many players can get a specific plot because of a ward system being used. Plenty of players have gone to the effort needed to earn the house they want but they cannot get it because there are none available.

I agree that those that only say "there isn't enough housing" are misrepresenting the situation if what they really mean is "I can't get the specific size/location I want".

With respect to FC housing, I think the choices for housing should be the same regardless of whether it's for a FC or an individual player. Not every FC wants a large. Not every player wants a small. The biggest fix they could make for FC housing is to simply detach the workshop from housing and attach to another location in the game, with the GC headquarters being the most fitting location. Do that and the sub farmers have no need to purchase a house just to get more workshops. Free up those houses, and SE would have a much better idea of what true FC demand is, which in turn could allow them to make more plots available to individual buyers.

Or better yet, create a serious fully instanced housing system. Again, wards don't need to be removed. With no need for demolition when it comes to instanced housing, SE could increase the demolition timer from the current 45 days to as long as a year for those that are attached to the ward aesthetic. With the way wards constantly use up server resources, it still makes sense to have demolition but on a longer timer so they're not left with wards running that never have owners entering.

As for every player running private sub farms, I can think of only two things that make it a problem: each separate workshop requires a house, and salvaged accessories. The first should be fairly obvious as to it's a problem for the housing system. The second isn't currently the problem that some make it sound on the gil side because that gil is generally being hoarded and not placed back into general circulation. It would become a problem if every player was farming salvaged accessories though because the average player would be putting the gil back into circulation.

Removing Salvaged Accessories and setting the sell to vendor price of all other items to under 200 gil (which is the majority of them, only a few have a higher vendor value) would take care of the gil concern. Players could still run their sub farms to get the minions/orchestrion rolls/furnishings/etc. that they want, which is what most are after when they complain about workshops specifically and not the impact of workshops on housing. There would still be players not interested in the hassle of setting up the workshop who would pay to buy voyage loot but the marketboard prices for most voyage loot would drop rapidly as players obtained it for themselves.

[Solowing]

Or better yet, create a serious fully instanced housing system. Again, wards don't need to be removed. With no need for demolition when it comes to instanced housing, SE could increase the demolition timer from the current 45 days to as long as a year for those that are attached to the ward aesthetic. With the way wards constantly use up server resources, it still makes sense to have demolition but on a longer timer so they're not left with wards running that never have owners entering.

If I could get a instanced house with no demo timer, what benefit is there to ward housing if you want the exact same functionality in a instanced house?

You want a instanced house? Then you should get a 45 day timer. That way S.E would still benefit from keeping you subscribed unless you're willing to lose your gil and work invested into the instanced plot.

People want a instanced house that can be upgraded in size, can freely be visited like a ward house, have all the amenities of a FC house but isnt demolishable like a apt. Why would anyone want a plot?

[Khryseis_Astra]

Replace the boring default interior architecture with art textures and backgrounds used in the open world zones. Make the exterior fixtures into optional proper house frame furnishings for those who don't want to go freestyle with their housing design. They've got the potential to make the best MMORPG housing system ever without having to start over from scratch with the ability to let players choose between wards or instances.

This. Just imagine all the possibilities of what instanced could provide!

The only other MMO with housing that I’ve played is ESO, but the sheer variety of housing options there is amazing! Want a customizable tiny inn room? Sure! Want a townhouse with multiple levels and an outdoor courtyard? Go for it! Want a rambling estate with two houses, a lake and a giant waterfall? That one might cost you a bit, but it’s doable!

And I’m sure someone will say “well go play ESO then.” But that’s not my favorite game/world. I want more options and variety brought into the world I actually love to play in. Imagine Ishgardian townhouses, or even Old Sharlayan! I mean those would probably be the easiest, as they could be built off the bones of existing FC rooms/apartments, just giving them the different sizes and layouts players have been asking for forever and putting some different backdrops on them to match their locations for the outdoor areas. Imagine being able to live anywhere in Eorzea…

Dawntrail seems to be the expansion of graphics updates. But I’m hoping in future expansions we’ll get more updates to other systems that are started to show their age and clunkiness. Housing is certainly one, glamour is another… they need to get away from all this old code that prevents them from doing things, because other games (that IMHO aren’t as good) are already doing better in those areas.

[Veritas-Ancora]

This. Just imagine all the possibilities of what instanced could provide!

The only other MMO with housing that I’ve played is ESO, but the sheer variety of housing options there is amazing! Want a customizable tiny inn room? Sure! Want a townhouse with multiple levels and an outdoor courtyard? Go for it! Want a rambling estate with two houses, a lake and a giant waterfall? That one might cost you a bit, but it’s doable!

And I’m sure someone will say “well go play ESO then.” But that’s not my favorite game/world. I want more options and variety brought into the world I actually love to play in. Imagine Ishgardian townhouses, or even Old Sharlayan! I mean those would probably be the easiest, as they could be built off the bones of existing FC rooms/apartments, just giving them the different sizes and layouts players have been asking for forever and putting some different backdrops on them to match their locations for the outdoor areas. Imagine being able to live anywhere in Eorzea…

Dawntrail seems to be the expansion of graphics updates. But I’m hoping in future expansions we’ll get more updates to other systems that are started to show their age and clunkiness. Housing is certainly one, glamour is another… they need to get away from all this old code that prevents them from doing things, because other games (that IMHO aren’t as good) are already doing better in those areas.

This is great, I support this.

[Moqi]

Who do you think you are to determine what's fine and enough for other people? Just weird.

[Solowing]

Who do you think you are to determine what's fine and enough for other people? Just weird.

Because its housing. And it is available to all players. Nobody is locked out of housing. However this is just players being picky about what they want.

You want a bigger plot? Put in a bid.

Until then work with the space that you have.

[Moqi]

However this is just players being picky about what they want.

And what's it to you if they are? Why are you so bothered by what other people think of this game... it doesn't concern you at all, it's not your game. Some people want instanced housing and are using this forum to let developers know. You fit nowhere in the process.

[Solowing]

And what's it to you if they are? Why are you so bothered by what other people think of this game... it doesn't concern you at all, it's not your game. Some people want instanced housing and are using this forum to let developers know. You fit nowhere in the process.

Welcome to a forum where people can disagree with you. If you seek a echo chamber, you won't find one here.

Why does my disagreement bother you? I don't mind plots are a limited resource. I think players appreciate plots more as players aren't just granted them

I joined prior to Apts, you had a arguement prior to that but once apt were introduced. This became a entitlement issue.

[Moqi]

What echo chamber, and who said what you're saying bothers me?

If you enjoy housing as it is good for you. You are not a dev so I don't really care what you have to say on the matter, I am just confused (not bothered) by your behaviour, dictating when people are allowed to have arguments, what and how they're supposed to a video game and calling people entitled over asking devs things they'd personally like to see in the future. I guess I will live with the mystery.

[Solowing]

What echo chamber, and who said what you're saying bothers me?

If you enjoy housing as it is good for you. You are not a dev so I don't really care what you have to say on the matter, I am just confused (not bothered) by your behaviour, dictating when people are allowed to have arguments, what and how they're supposed to a video game and calling people entitled over asking devs things they'd personally like to see in the future. I guess I will live with the mystery.

I'm sorry for the miscommunication. Everyone on the forum is allowed an opinion and my.opinion holds no more weight then anyone else's. I do enjoy the housing system here like a lot of people.

But I do enjoy the unique approach to plots this game uses. I think the limited nature does add to its appeal.

I am a fan of instanced housing as long as it doesn't undermine ward housing. Let it function like Island Sanctuarys entrance in one of the housing ward.thatll lead to a instanced plot. Same customization as a plot minus the ability for random to stumble apon your plot. Friends could see your name on the instance list.