Hrothgar Female Improvement Thread

[Reinha]

I love that we are finally getting female Hroths. The bodies and faces look fine to me but I would make the heads a bit bigger. Elezens have the same head size issue so I noticed it immediately when I saw the trailer.

This is actually prime time to voice feedback. During this time between ShB and EW feedback was shared about male Viera and there were changes based on that feedback.

Exactly. They have never changed the proportions of an already released race and they never will. Now is the best time to voice our concerns.

[ForsakenRoe]

I love that we are finally getting female Hroths. The bodies and faces look fine to me but I would make the heads a bit bigger. Elezens have the same head size issue so I noticed it immediately when I saw the trailer.

Yeh, this is what I was thinking, when I saw the ingame trailer. Some angles look fine, some looked really 'off', and after thinking about it for a while, I think the issue is that their neck is long, slightly too thin, and their head is a little small. They looked fine from the front (eg when the darkblue one was demonstrating the 'I am disappointed' emote), but the side angles like the starting 'sat down' make the neck thing super obvious. a 10%ish boost to the 'thickness' of the neck (but not the length) to imply more muscular definition there, and a 10%ish boost to all three dimensions of the head, would help a lot I think. And maybe a small bump to the length of the muzzle, as shown in this pic



Because doing that would help what the dimensions of the face look like, when viewed from the side. Or give us a slider to adjust the muzzle length ourselves, so people can have flat-faces if they want

[Nestama]

Yeah, the side-by-side really does make it look like the female Hrothgar have a human-shaped head and not what the males have.

[Qurho]

It's so small... how am I supposed to expect these women to bite down on cartoon meat on a bone.

Yeah, the side-by-side really does make it look like the female Hrothgar have a human-shaped head and not what the males have.

Yeah. I'm not necessarily opposed to the shape, I'm sure it's easier for the devs to work with + some hairstyles will help cover how tall and rounded the forehead feels. But I do think something along the lines of gatitatatita's nose bridge/mouth edits would go a long way.

[Soleran]

I really like the ideas of a nose-slider, and the modifications/suggestions by gatitatatita and ForsakenRoe. Something that helps emphasize the muzzle/nose shape more. Otherwise super excited for lady Hroth at last!

[Zelas]

Oh man. I was wondering why I thought the female Hrothgar from the cinematic trailer was bothering me so much... Now I know it's the blatant lack of a muzzle. They threw lion-like features on a flat face and called it a day.
What is it with this obsession to always want to "humanify" anthro female characters to keep them "prettier"? We want female Hrothgar. They got it right with the males, why is it so hard to make the females not look like a slightly furrier FFXI Mithra?
I really really hope they'll fix this...

[IchiroKoto]

I'd say they got it right. The faces we saw in the trailer are based on short muzzled felines. A lioness, a cheetah, and a lynx. We'll just have to see if they keep it up with the 4th option if there will be one. I guess as others have said, they could make it more pronounced what they're based off of to clear this up.

[ugie]

I’m on the fence about these improvements/modifications. I look at the examples and I like some of them, while others are strange to me. I do think the muzzles should be a little longer; staring at screenshots and looking at the trailer made my mind up about that. Yet I also think the complaint about the nose being too small and possibly even the mouth being too small could possibly be fixed with options provided by the benchmark.

It’s been awhile since I made my hrothgar alt, but if the mouth can’t be made wider by customization options + the muzzle being made a little longer then I would really like that to be tinkered before they are officially released. I really adore the middle hrothgal in the trailer at the end and I would love for her to be as best as she can.

[Qurho]

For reference, these are the options available to the men:



It's safe to assume the women will have similar to pick from. Though that would mean there's no option for Mouth size like some races have (Hyur, Lalafell, etc). At best, adjusting the fang length pinches in the upper lip a bit to reflect the teeth sticking out.

There are a solid variety of noses to pick from for the men, so I'm holding out on a little bit of hope there. They can impact the muzzle, but the result may be slight depending on the face and option picked. Using the Kimahri/Ronso face as an example, as it's the flattest snout:



Further reference note: The hrothgal seen at the very end of the trailer (to the right) seems to be the parallel to the above face type, between the short snout, similar helion markings, and the face tattoo.

[HeyMcFly]

Female Hrothgar look like a human wearing a cat mask or cat face prosthetic, but having a longer nose profile might help as well as less poofy jowls
I'd like to see them have some more contour to help outline their feline facial features as well as spot and stripe examples that they have
Their chins being square in the example also gives a more human face appearance, so I think if they had some kind of angled eyebrow and a more narrow chin it'd help pass the more beast feline vibe
And a slightly larger head- in the trailer, their heads are small