Hrothgar Female Improvement Thread

[chocotism]

I don't think they "went back on the change" as much as they just clarified that glowing eyes is still in the options.

Ahh I see. I wasn't too focused on the change in the first place, so that flew over my head (just in time for me to get bothered over Viera noses instead lmao).

[Zel_Zackarias]

I think the body designs for fem Hroth are perfect and on point for what I was expecting and hoping for!

I would like to add (as others have) from this thread on twitter that the faces need to be elongated more. The short snout is much too "house cat". It's too smooshed/flat. It also contributes to making their heads look far too small.

The original thread is here: Twitter Thread


This is probably too large for the body proportions but this is something I really wish the DT trailer had going for it. It looks so much better with the longer muzzle. It's less "hyur with prosthetics on" and more "beast race":



Alternatively the artist in the thread also redid a better compromise which I think would work perfectly:



The above image is not too long but still retains that beast look I feel the designs shown in the trailers are really lacking. Longer muzzles also would make their heads look less tiny compared to the rest of the body.

Wider faces and mouths were also things mentioned in this thread I think are also sorely needed. Otherwise they end up looking too "human with costume make up on".

Other things I want to see are horns and fangs, even as toggle options. Also, someone here mentioned giving both Hrothgar genders ear length sliders and I second that notion too. Non-hyur races suffer from a lack of diversity in face options and I always think that more options in Character Creator are always better.

[Duskane]

I think the body designs for fem Hroth are perfect and on point for what I was expecting and hoping for!

I would like to add (as others have) from this thread on twitter that the faces need to be elongated more. The short snout is much too "house cat". It's too smooshed/flat. It also contributes to making their heads look far too small.

The original thread is here: Twitter Thread


This is probably too large for the body proportions but this is something I really wish the DT trailer had going for it. It looks so much better with the longer muzzle. It's less "hyur with prosthetics on" and more "beast race":



Alternatively the artist in the thread also redid a better compromise which I think would work perfectly:



The above image is not too long but still retains that beast look I feel the designs shown in the trailers are really lacking. Longer muzzles also would make their heads look less tiny compared to the rest of the body.

Wider faces and mouths were also things mentioned in this thread I think are also sorely needed. Otherwise they end up looking too "human with costume make up on".

Other things I want to see are horns and fangs, even as toggle options. Also, someone here mentioned giving both Hrothgar genders ear length sliders and I second that notion too. Non-hyur races suffer from a lack of diversity in face options and I always think that more options in Character Creator are always better.

i think this looks pretty bad tbqh plus the CGI always has its strange moments like Endwalker trailer graha and yshtola

[Xirean]

Hard pass on making their faces longer imo. I think they look great as is and I'm highly considering playing one as they are.

[gatitatatita]

I'm here to add to the feedback regarding the muzzles, which are the only aspect of their design I actually take issue with. I've been waiting for these lion women for literal years so I'm not going to pass on any chances of giving the dev team feedback.

I don't mind the general face structure/proportions but the muzzle looks like a human woman with latex makeup applied. It looks really uncanny since, at least around the mouth, they don't seem to have the actual skull structure of a lion like their male counterparts.



Since I understand these changes are a lot of work, I'm thinking the solution that would take the least effort is a combo of emphasizing the corners of the mouth by pulling them backwards a little, making the chin area smaller and adding a more bestial touch to the lips so that it actually looks like a lion's mouth. So fuller, rounder upper lips can be a solution to that.

Another way of emphasizing the animal shape would be to fix the nose bridge's structure around the eyes.



Also this is just wishful thinking but I really hope we get fang options for them. My character's personality is really shaped by her having those big ol chompers.

Aside from that, everything is perfect about them in my opinion! The body looks amazing, and the fact that the devs used a cheetah as reference for the first reveal of their in game model is really cute! People will have the more human-like face which looks good but I really want them to get the beastial faces right.

[RidUmb]

I'm here to add to the feedback regarding the muzzles, which are the only aspect of their design I actually take issue with. I've been waiting for these lion women for literal years so I'm not going to pass on any chances of giving the dev team feedback.

I don't mind the general face structure/proportions but the muzzle looks like a human woman with latex makeup applied. It looks really uncanny since, at least around the mouth, they don't seem to have the actual skull structure of a lion like their male counterparts.



Since I understand these changes are a lot of work, I'm thinking the solution that would take the least effort is a combo of emphasizing the corners of the mouth by pulling them backwards a little, making the chin area smaller and adding a more bestial touch to the lips so that it actually looks like a lion's mouth. So fuller, rounder upper lips can be a solution to that.

Another way of emphasizing the animal shape would be to fix the nose bridge's structure around the eyes.



Also this is just wishful thinking but I really hope we get fang options for them. My character's personality is really shaped by her having those big ol chompers.

Aside from that, everything is perfect about them in my opinion! The body looks amazing, and the fact that the devs used a cheetah as reference for the first reveal of their in game model is really cute! People will have the more human-like face which looks good but I really want them to get the beastial faces right.

oooh, that would be really great! They really do look perfect with your edits. I love that little lion grin~

Hope we will be able to toggle their theeth just like the male ones

[Qurho]

I'm here to add to the feedback regarding the muzzles, which are the only aspect of their design I actually take issue with. I've been waiting for these lion women for literal years so I'm not going to pass on any chances of giving the dev team feedback.

I don't mind the general face structure/proportions but the muzzle looks like a human woman with latex makeup applied. It looks really uncanny since, at least around the mouth, they don't seem to have the actual skull structure of a lion like their male counterparts. (...)

Yes!! This handily fixes what bothers me about the mouth! I'm in a similar boat of having waited years for their addition, so I really hope the devs can polish the more beastly faces.

As far as fang length goes... after dwelling on it some, they're explicitly an option on the character creation screen for the men, so I'd be very surprised if they weren't present. Details are one thing, sure, but the character creator is very consistent about toggle-able options between the sexes. Looking at the teeth in the trailer though, I wouldn't be surprised if the women end up with smaller, cuter fangs.



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I'm a bit conflicted about the thought. I picked the smaller option for my current hrothgar because I do think lil tooths jutting out are cute, but it'd be nice if it were possible to have options for folks who do want something more menacing. (This is admittedly speculation though.)

[gatitatatita]

Yes!! This handily fixes what bothers me about the mouth! I'm in a similar boat of having waited years for their addition, so I really hope the devs can polish the more beastly faces.

As far as fang length goes... after dwelling on it some, they're explicitly an option on the character creation screen for the men, so I'd be very surprised if they weren't present. Details are one thing, sure, but the character creator is very consistent about toggle-able options between the sexes. Looking at the teeth in the trailer though, I wouldn't be surprised if the women end up with smaller, cuter fangs. (...)

Godddd this one female face gives me whiplash :'3 the mouth is so tinyyyyyy!!!

[Korppu]

I'm here to add to the feedback regarding the muzzles, which are the only aspect of their design I actually take issue with. I've been waiting for these lion women for literal years so I'm not going to pass on any chances of giving the dev team feedback.

I don't mind the general face structure/proportions but the muzzle looks like a human woman with latex makeup applied. It looks really uncanny since, at least around the mouth, they don't seem to have the actual skull structure of a lion like their male counterparts.



Since I understand these changes are a lot of work, I'm thinking the solution that would take the least effort is a combo of emphasizing the corners of the mouth by pulling them backwards a little, making the chin area smaller and adding a more bestial touch to the lips so that it actually looks like a lion's mouth. So fuller, rounder upper lips can be a solution to that.

Another way of emphasizing the animal shape would be to fix the nose bridge's structure around the eyes.



Also this is just wishful thinking but I really hope we get fang options for them. My character's personality is really shaped by her having those big ol chompers.

these edits look really great, and fix pretty much all the issues that i currently have at least with that specific head.

one of my favourite things about male hrothgar is their distinct cat like ":3" expression that they naturally have, and i feel like it would be a huge shame if the females don't get an option to have that as well.

i'm also really hoping that they'll get fang options, and at least one face with whiskers as well.