[RANT] Dearest Sage Mains

[Astrahime]

Just remove Addersting, remove Toxikon's AoE component, and decrease Toxikon's damage slightly.

Problem solved. Sages don't need to spend 900 MP and then wait for a shield to break to do something that Scholar does for just 400 MP.

Better yet, nerf shield potencies and allow both SGE and SCH shields to stack together.

[Absurdity]

Just remove Addersting, remove Toxikon's AoE component, and decrease Toxikon's damage slightly.

Problem solved. Sages don't need to spend 900 MP and then wait for a shield to break to do something that Scholar does for just 400 MP.


Better yet, nerf shield potencies and allow both SGE and SCH shields to stack together.

I honestly don't think making Toxikon even more useless than it already is would solve the issue.
I don't even think these players are fishing for Toxikon stacks in the first place, I think they simply have no idea how to play the job properly.

How many Whitemages have we seen over the years who let you die because all they cast is Cure 1, even far beyond the level where you gain more powerful spells?
How many Whitemages have we seen that spam Medica 2 for every little bit of damage?

I think it's simply the exact same case with these Sage players. Despite long time healer mains hating how copy&paste it's design is, it is popular among the general playerbase, second only to Whitemage.
So you get a lot of players on the job who think that every AoE needs to be shielded because they don't know any better.

It's really no different than the occasional SCH that casts Succor every 15 seconds for basically no reason, Sage is just more popular and consequently the bad Sages you encounter more numerous.

[ZiraZ]

Just remove Addersting, remove Toxikon's AoE component, and decrease Toxikon's damage slightly.

Problem solved. Sages don't need to spend 900 MP and then wait for a shield to break to do something that Scholar does for just 400 MP.

Better yet, nerf shield potencies and allow both SGE and SCH shields to stack together.

Why?
Why does it always come down to removing things mindlessly and turning everything into the same thing until it all becomes a grey boring mess?
On easy content Toxikon and GCD shields are never needed because damage is laughable and movement heavy mechanics are nonexistent so you can cast bot, and on difficult content you are GCD shielding constantly so you are getting the stacks back throughout the fight and have superior movement dps over Ruin2

[Supersnow845]

Why?
Why does it always come down to removing things mindlessly and turning everything into the same thing until it all becomes a grey boring mess?
On easy content Toxikon and GCD shields are never needed because damage is laughable and movement heavy mechanics are nonexistent so you can cast bot, and on difficult content you are GCD shielding constantly so you are getting the stacks back throughout the fight and have superior movement dps over Ruin2

If you think you need to shield enough in high end content that you are drowning in enough toxicon stacks to rival ruin 2 you either have never done high end content or you have a gold parse in overhealing

99% of the time you just run with the 3 toxicon stacks you start with and never fish for more unless there is downtime

[rawker]

If you think you need to shield enough in high end content that you are drowning in enough toxicon stacks to rival ruin 2 you either have never done high end content or you have a gold parse in overhealing

99% of the time you just run with the 3 toxicon stacks you start with and never fish for more unless there is downtime

True. Imagine all those GCDs wasted just to replenish those sting stacks that could've been Dosis. If you are in dire need of sting stacks, that could also mean that you do not have enough mastery of the fight to position yourself so you can maximize being a turret healer.

[ZiraZ]

If you think you need to shield enough in high end content that you are drowning in enough toxicon stacks to rival ruin 2 you either have never done high end content or you have a gold parse in overhealing

99% of the time you just run with the 3 toxicon stacks you start with and never fish for more unless there is downtime

Good thing ultimates are filled with downtime

[IceBlueNinja]

The amount of bias and hypocrisy on this forum I swear, Idk of it vs dead by daylight forums which is worst. Imagine if neutral aspected helios shield also deleted sch ones as well which again makes 0 sense at all that ast gcd shield can work with sch ones /sage ones but sage/sch cant work. This again is just poor design on SE part.

Also the fact is that one min you hear from people oh shields become irrelevant outside of ultimates yet its being complaint about for casual content? So again this post do not even mention complaints on savage/ultimates because everyone know its always a 1 pure healer 1 shield barrier for those content.

Complaining about casual content that does like 0 damage when your gear is maxed out just seem like an excuse to whine more about sage mains from entitled sch mains. Also even though toxicon does have its uses at certain times its so bashed on but ruin 2 with its far weaker potency is not an issue lol. I can pop my weaker E prog and I and my party if they are in 600+ gear everyone takes very measly damage or if i want I slap holos on with the E prog and its 0 damage on everyone.

[Avoidy]

lmao had this happen to me today in some random roulette. spread out a crit adlo because I knew people were about to get messed up and watched the crit part melt away as the sage overwrote it. felt so unsatisfying, tbh.

[Supersnow845]

Spreadlo just needs to be exempt from being overwritten, eukaraian spells can overwrite succor since eukaria actually generates resources, SCH has ET which cracks the shield before it applies and SGE’s Pepsis needs the shields to apply before they can be cracked but there really is no conceivable reason why spreadlo should be able to be overridden

[Teno]

Shields generating addersting is great design, how the shields interact is the weird part. As it stands, the scholar should plan around a sage's shields. And if it's 24-man, who cares.