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    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Shields generating addersting is great design, how the shields interact is the weird part. As it stands, the scholar should plan around a sage's shields. And if it's 24-man, who cares.
    To be fair it’s hard to “plan around SGE’s shields” when you set up an entire spreadlo (and use a lot of your resources to do it) then the SGE just smooth brain goes “hmmm yes eukrasian prognosis is what we need right now”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    To be fair it’s hard to “plan around SGE’s shields” when you set up an entire spreadlo (and use a lot of your resources to do it) then the SGE just smooth brain goes “hmmm yes eukrasian prognosis is what we need right now”
    The best plan to have when you're paired with a random SGE in DF parties is to play as usual until they overwrite your spreadlo once, then never touch Adlo/Succor again for the rest of the duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    The best plan to have when you're paired with a random SGE in DF parties is to play as usual until they overwrite your spreadlo once, then never touch Adlo/Succor again for the rest of the duty.
    I have actually done this. I even used Dissipation on cooldown and used all stacks exclusively on Energy Drain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    I have actually done this. I even used Dissipation on cooldown and used all stacks exclusively on Energy Drain.
    That’s my go to in alliance raids

    “You wanna pump out enough healing for 5 alliances worth of parties”

    Sure go ahead, I’ll just be over here doing my 9 energy drain opener and contributing nothing besides the occasional embrace cast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    That’s my go to in alliance raids

    “You wanna pump out enough healing for 5 alliances worth of parties”

    Sure go ahead, I’ll just be over here doing my 9 energy drain opener and contributing nothing besides the occasional embrace cast
    If you can fit all those E.Drains during for the entirety of Chain Stratagem without delaying your GCDs, it would be perfect.
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    As scholar, if I have a sage in my team, I just let them do all the shielding. Then I let them do all the mitigation as well. In fact, I just let the fairy do the healing and sage can pick up the slack because they are better than scholar in pretty much every way.

    I'm just the broil bot with occasional crit buff and zoomies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troxbark View Post
    As scholar, if I have a sage in my team, I just let them do all the shielding. Then I let them do all the mitigation as well. In fact, I just let the fairy do the healing and sage can pick up the slack because they are better than scholar in pretty much every way.

    I'm just the broil bot with occasional crit buff and zoomies.
    Except you know; the lower damage, less shielding capability, less utility, less mitigation and worse death recovery
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    ^your weird vendetta against SCH mains doesn’t change the fact that weaker shields shouldn’t override stronger shields, AST doesn’t play into it at all nor did people bring up ruin 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    ^your weird vendetta against SCH mains doesn’t change the fact that weaker shields shouldn’t override stronger shields, AST doesn’t play into it at all nor did people bring up ruin 2
    like your vendetta against sage mains doesn't change the fact that complaining about casual content where damage is a joke should be such a serious pointless topic. Funny thing is how you mention sage has a worst recovery and less mitigation? I think you mean sch has the worst recovery. You got to resummon your lil pixie wasting dps time, if aether flow on cool down its a wrap.

    If die as a sage my addergall is still going up and then I can just pop my ogcs and immediately fast mp recovery even if worst case lucid is on cd as well which I never been in that situation of where I had no way to recovery mp. My kardia stays on who is on as well taro/kera/holos is migitation? the only thing that sch have that is mitigation is sacred soil? Seraph gives shields not mitigation where holos give both lol. Lower damage? sage dosis spell is the highest of the 4 healers and there is phelgma. pani and hami is utility it makes stack mechanics like the popular akh ron mechs a joke. Healer damage always been whm,sge/sch/ast so idk how sage have lower dps lol when its always been in second place after whm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja View Post
    like your vendetta against sage mains doesn't change the fact that complaining about casual content where damage is a joke should be such a serious pointless topic. Funny thing is how you mention sage has a worst recovery and less mitigation? I think you mean sch has the worst recovery. You got to resummon your lil pixie wasting dps time, if aether flow on cool down its a wrap.

    If die as a sage my addergall is still going up and then I can just pop my ogcs and immediately fast mp recovery even if worst case lucid is on cd as well which I never been in that situation of where I had no way to recovery mp. My kardia stays on who is on as well taro/kera/holos is migitation? the only thing that sch have that is mitigation is sacred soil? Seraph gives shields not mitigation where holos give both lol. Lower damage? sage dosis spell is the highest of the 4 healers and there is phelgma. pani and hami is utility it makes stack mechanics like the popular akh ron mechs a joke. Healer damage always been whm,sge/sch/ast so idk how sage have lower dps lol when its always been in second place after whm.
    I never said SGE had worse recovery but the fairy not being affected by weakness is a factor to consider, regardless if I want recovery from death id rather be on a regen healer

    SCH has 3 AOE mitigations (fey illumination, sacred soil and expedience), SGE has two so you are wrong on that point if you include single target protraction is the equivalent mitigation to taurochole so SCH still wins out

    Damage SCH wins because chain offers more rDPS than SGE does with dosis, SCH is the top DPS in at least 12 of the 15 current expansion savage fights because of how strong chain is

    This is why I say you have a vendetta against SCH, I’m fully willing to admit SGE’s benefits (better lossless mobility, better job cohesion, faster MP recovery on death, stronger in criterion) you are either wilfully ignorant of why SCH is better in most fields or make random points up that anyone with access to the skills list can disprove
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 01-11-2024 at 08:36 AM.

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