Thoughts on the Yoshi P AMA?

[AlucaDragonheart]

Playing my job is a majority of what I do in this game, be it in basic roulette content, 24man, trials, extremes, savage or ultimate, and if that gameplay is lackluster, which I think it absolutely is, then I am simply not enjoying a majority of this game's content.

Right now it feels like there is barely any difference between playing my job well and just mashing buttons. It feels like no matter what content I'm doing I'm just going through the motions, motions I've learned 6 years ago and which have only become more mindless since.

It's why I can't even get any enjoyment out of savage anymore, the core gameplay is not fun to me and no amount of mechanics spam is going to fix that.

Agreed, 100%. I've been playing WoW for the first time recently and that game has some of the most enjoyable tab target combat I've ever played, it just makes FF14 feel so slow and sluggish in comparison. How different each class feels from another is also something else that the FF14 dev team really should consider, because no one wants to play a role who's only difference is what weapon type you want to use, each Job should absolutely feel different from each other despite the role, because right now it just makes me dread engaging in the combat, because it's just so boring.

[Jeeqbit]

it just makes FF14 feel so slow and sluggish in comparison.

I don't personally like the concept of a 1.5 second GCD. Having time to actually think between GCDs is nice.

How different each class feels from another is also something else that the FF14 dev team really should consider, because no one wants to play a role who's only difference is what weapon type you want to use

They used to care about this and expressed so in interviews, but it all changed around the time of Shadowbringers' release and they stopped using words to the effect of "unique". What they aren't saying can be just as telling as what they are saying.

I think with so many jobs and complaints about balance, that they probably determined it would be easier if the differences were just about looks and animations. We used to have half as many jobs as we do now, so there is a certain amount of sense in 2 of every job playing the same.

[Sebazy]

I don't personally like the concept of a 1.5 second GCD. Having time to actually think between GCDs is nice.

I'd wonder if you were a minority on this one. I originally intended to move to FFXIV alongside a tight knit guild that had been together as far back as Velious in Everquest and onward through FFXI and WoW.

I was the only one who made it through the beta phases and actually rolled up on the live servers. The rest of them just couldn't stomach the slow GCD with the general opinion being that it made combat just feel too slow.

Personally I'm of the opinion that the 2.5 second GCD was a cost cutting measure rather than a 'by design' choice for the sake of gameplay or whatever. It simply meant less load on the servers (Which was a HUGE problem early on)

[Boblawblah]

Agreed, 100%. I've been playing WoW for the first time recently and that game has some of the most enjoyable tab target combat I've ever played, it just makes FF14 feel so slow and sluggish in comparison. How different each class feels from another is also something else that the FF14 dev team really should consider, because no one wants to play a role who's only difference is what weapon type you want to use, each Job should absolutely feel different from each other despite the role, because right now it just makes me dread engaging in the combat, because it's just so boring.

I know this is sacrilege for some, but I don't play mmorpgs for the combat, it's one of the lower things on my list of priorities. WoW feels like poop compared to a game Elden Ring, Prey, or Armored Core, that doesn't make it a bad game. Sluggish is something I've never considered FFXIV. That's like saying BG3 feels slower than BG2. It's just different.

What you're basically saying is "make FFXIV faster" and it's never going to happen.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I know this is sacrilege for some, but I don't play mmorpgs for the combat, it's one of the lower things on my list of priorities. WoW feels like poop compared to a game Elden Ring, Prey, or Armored Core, that doesn't make it a bad game. Sluggish is something I've never considered FFXIV. That's like saying BG3 feels slower than BG2. It's just different.

What you're basically saying is "make FFXIV faster" and it's never going to happen.

I would've furiously argued with you on this but when I realized that 80% of this game is just a visual novel, I decided that yeah...you do indeed have a point how combat is just...there

[Absurdity]

I know this is sacrilege for some, but I don't play mmorpgs for the combat, it's one of the lower things on my list of priorities. WoW feels like poop compared to a game Elden Ring, Prey, or Armored Core, that doesn't make it a bad game. Sluggish is something I've never considered FFXIV. That's like saying BG3 feels slower than BG2. It's just different.

What you're basically saying is "make FFXIV faster" and it's never going to happen.

I don't think he's saying that WoW's combat is better because of it's faster GCD but because it's snappy. FFXIV has a noticeable delay between each input and that can sometimes make it feel sluggish even if the GCD->double weave->GCD playstyle is actually quite fast when it comes to inputs.
When I press a button in WoW it registers immediately (provided your ping isn't completely horrible) and it just feels more fluid to cycle through abilities.

Nobody is going to argue that BG3's combat is bad because it's a slow turn-based system. Sure it might sometimes take me a minute to decide what ability to use but that choice has significantly more impact on how a fight goes.

And that's the big difference, your decision matters.
What does it matter whether I decide to press Fell Cleave next or Infuriate+Inner Chaos? The only impact it has is that I may lose some dps that I won't even notice over the course of a fight and that probably gets outweighed by crit RNG, something I can't control at all.
Granted retail WoW also suffers from this issue. Fury Warrior for example has become rather spammy so it feels like your decision on what ability to use next has little impact.


If you don't particularly care about combat in MMOs then yeah, it doesn't matter to you and that's fine. It does matter to me however as the gameplay is what drew me to the game in the first place, so I'm going to talk about it until I decide that it's no longer worth my time and simply leave.

[Heavenchild]

Just some hours left until the livestream of the fanfest starts.
Let's see what they have for us.

[Palladiamors]

Just some hours left until the livestream of the fanfest starts.
Let's see what they have for us.

I'm nervous about this one. I'm pretty sure I'm at the end of my time with XIV but I desperately want to be wrong. I need them to show me something to keep me invested. Either the new job needs to wow me or the new narrative needs to grab me

[Heavenchild]

I feel the same. I really hope they have something that surprises me and gives me some excitement back. Let's see. ò.ó

[Boblawblah]

I'm nervous about this one. I'm pretty sure I'm at the end of my time with XIV but I desperately want to be wrong. I need them to show me something to keep me invested. Either the new job needs to wow me or the new narrative needs to grab me

Unless that 'something' is more of the same with a slightly different flavour, it's time to move on. It's okay.