Quitting ffxiv for good

[OgruMogru]

As expected, here is the forum response that takes a snippet of what I posted and takes it wildly out of context.

Nowhere did I say that type of content wasn't a core aspect. Just that it wasn't THE focus. Also, literally my first sentence, "Criticism is absolutely necessary in any form. I believe everyone’s opinions are valid, even the ones I disagree with. And I really do mean that."

I appreciate you said that criticism is necessary and I didn't mean to single you out specifically but just because it's not *your* focus but that doesn't mean it's not a core aspect/focus of the game itself. The game has made good steps in making things accessible, soloable and new player friendly but that is not the sole focus of the game and it's disingenuous to say it's "all the game is about" when people are complaining about aspects other than the ones you are invested in as if it's their fault for having different priorities and that they're misunderstanding the devs "true intentions"

[ty_taurus]

Criticism is absolutely necessary in any form. I believe everyone’s opinions are valid, even the ones I disagree with. And I really do mean that.

However, context is important. We are in the middle of a two-year drought in expansions. OF COURSE things are gonna feel stale now. Especially if you, like the OP claims, have cleared everything that interests you.

Overall, I do agree that we are at the end of an expansion, and things always get slow at this point. That being said, something that I don't really understand is how that applies to the argument of not having enough repeatable content. Because XIV has offered repeatable content in the past and cut that type of content from Endwalker. So comments about the situation like 'It's the end of the expansion, what do you expect?' (not a direct quote of anyone, just an example of the argument), that argument to me comes across as very tone deaf, because it's not about the normal drought experience we've seen in the past.

When people talk about things like Eureka and Bozja, they're talking about optional content that gives you different goals you can work toward even in a drought. For example, in the late stages of Shadowbringers, I would spend time grinding up my Bozja HP/DPS/Healing buffs and trying to get the last of the field notes for the mount, something I had the option of doing that is in no way, shape, or form a requirement of the player.

Droughts are a normal part of an MMOs lifespan, but that is not a real counterargument to not having new content during the expansion that offers some sort of incentive to go back to it. Now, I don't think that argument ultimately matters anymore, at least not at this moment, because Dawntrail is presumably going to add that type of content back into the game. There's no more point in criticizing the lack of that in Endwalker, unless that content turns out to not do what it claims of course, but we won't know that until that content actually launches.

It's not actually "endlessly whining". I was just mimicking your tone of inherently insulting anyone who happens to have a different opinion than you (by trying to act as if your opinion regarding "meaningful content" was somehow absolute objective fact). Acknowledge that comments are purely your own opinions, and I respond in kind.

Love the blatant misrepresentation for no good reason. Always a pleasure to see. I didn't make any statements about what is or isn't meaningful content, so I have no idea why you're calling me out for that.

[xbahax92]

It has "meaningful lasting content" - it also has the reality that not every human being will enjoy every particular type of content. You see the people endlessly whining on the forums because they personally happen to not enjoy the content that exists. Meanwhile, you don't see double the amount of people writing those posts because other people do enjoy that content and are actively playing it in-game.

If you want credibility, this is not the way to go about earning it. Setting up strawmen and insulting people just for not sharing your opinion doesn't help whatever cause you have.

I dont want or need credibility. I'm posting my own opinion on the forums. Wether you like it or not, doesn't matter. I'm using the forums as asked and leave feedback about the current state of the game. There might be people that enjoy and have enough content to catch up to. I do not.

And this is not about egoistic views or selfish thoughts. If I'm lucky a few other players share the same situation as me and would like to see a change in a few directions, such as the formula is being exactly the same for every expansion.

[Striker44]

Overall, I do agree that we are at the end of an expansion, and things always get slow at this point. That being said, something that I don't really understand is how that applies to the argument of not having enough repeatable content. Because XIV has offered repeatable content in the past and cut that type of content from Endwalker. So comments about the situation like 'It's the end of the expansion, what do you expect?' (not a direct quote of anyone, just an example of the argument), that argument to me comes across as very tone deaf, because it's not about the normal drought experience we've seen in the past.

Love the blatant misrepresentation for no good reason. Always a pleasure to see. I didn't make any statements about what is or isn't meaningful content, so I have no idea why you're calling me out for that.

To the first part, what you're referring to as the "repeatable content" itself had a varied reception from the playerbase when it's been done in the past. It wasn't "cut" from EW (and it's been excluded from other expansions, too) - the dev team just decided to create different content instead that was intended for a different part of the very varied playerbase the game has.

To the second part - oops. Look at your picture. Look at the picture of xbahax92 (the person I was replying to). Given that you were replying to my reply to him, my brain just saw the picture and took it as I was responding to the same person. Unfortunate, but honest mistake, not a "blatant" anything.

[ty_taurus]

To the first part, what you're referring to as the "repeatable content" itself had a varied reception from the playerbase when it's been done in the past. It wasn't "cut" from EW (and it's been excluded from other expansions, too) - the dev team just decided to create different content instead that was intended for a different part of the very varied playerbase the game has.

To the second part - oops. Look at your picture. Look at the picture of xbahax92 (the person I was replying to). Given that you were replying to my reply to him, my brain just saw the picture and took it as I was responding to the same person. Unfortunate, but honest mistake, not a "blatant" anything.

If you didn’t like content like Eureka or Bozja… then don’t do it. That’s the thing: past expansions offered that type of content as an option. Endwalker didn’t.

It’s like, at the party, both pancakes and waffles are available. But you hate waffles… so don’t eat the waffles. Waffles existing at the table for the people that want them does not take anything away from you. Now for this expansion, they only offered pancakes, so the players that wanted waffles got nothing. Excluding waffles from the table is nothing to celebrate regardless of whether you like waffles or not. You didn’t get more pancakes, we were just got the absence of waffles.

[Deceptus]

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Criticism is absolutely necessary in any form. I believe everyone’s opinions are valid, even the ones I disagree with. And I really do mean that.

However, context is important. We are in the middle of a two-year drought in expansions. OF COURSE things are gonna feel stale now. Especially if you, like the OP claims, have cleared everything that interests you.
Overall, I do agree that we are at the end of an expansion, and things always get slow at this point. That being said, something that I don't really understand is how that applies to the argument of not having enough repeatable content. Because XIV has offered repeatable content in the past and cut that type of content from Endwalker. So comments about the situation like 'It's the end of the expansion, what do you expect?' (not a direct quote of anyone, just an example of the argument), that argument to me comes across as very tone deaf, because it's not about the normal drought experience we've seen in the past.

Variant / Criterion was **supposed** to be that content but it has failed miserably.

Eureka on release had major issues as well, most notably Pagos and Hydatos portal sniping (It's since been patched to be much more manageable)

Bozja sort of as well (gatekeeping relics behind DR / Dalriada)

[sindriiisgaming]

keep in mind that we are in a designated "play other games" period. Yoshi-P even assigned us games that He wants us to play instead of FFXIV. Did you beat all of them? If not, you are not upholding His will and doing as He instructed. FFXIV is the "play other games" game where, during the officially designated period, you shall not play. Except you should, because there's an unlimited amount of things to do, and if you don't play, we will see you tomorrow you troll. Does that make sense?

A developer that doesn't want you playing his game but expects you to still sub and uses this as justification for less content... damn this guy is gona kill his own game just to try zelda 11. Rn is there is a massive conflict with the dev wanting to play other games and neglecting his own. He should just step down if he can't be bothered anymore. It's better than this farce

[Striker44]

If you didn’t like content like Eureka or Bozja… then don’t do it. That’s the thing: past expansions offered that type of content as an option. Endwalker didn’t.

It’s like, at the party, both pancakes and waffles are available. But you hate waffles… so don’t eat the waffles. Waffles existing at the table for the people that want them does not take anything away from you. Now for this expansion, they only offered pancakes, so the players that wanted waffles got nothing. Excluding waffles from the table is nothing to celebrate regardless of whether you like waffles or not. You didn’t get more pancakes, we were just got the absence of waffles.

But that's exactly it - this time around, if you don't like V/C or IS...then don't do it. Also, there have been 5 expansions (counting ARR as one). There have only been 2 exploratory zones. Most expansions did NOT have "that type of content" as an option. People are just throwing a hissy fit because out of the huge variety of people that play FFXIV, they didn't get specifically catered to yet again, and a different group was focused on instead. Let's grow up a bit, people.

Edit: To go to your pancake/waffle analogy, in the last expansion, there were no pancakes. The last expansion had only waffles, this one has only pancakes. And guess what - there's only so many chefs in the kitchen with only so much time, so they can't make both at the same time. Instead, they served waffles last time, and pancakes this time. Of course, there's also bacon, eggs, hash browns, sausage, bagels, and a slew of other food that's not freshly cooked, but not stale, either. You can always pop it in the microwave for a few seconds and eat it while you wait for them to make waffles again.

[Eastwall]

Then you've been extremely lucky with your roulette groups. Pugs can and will wipe on just about anything, given half a chance. (Literally the only reason I say "just about" is that I've never managed to die fighting Thordan on Normal mode, even when he was current content, despite trying to do so for a laugh.) I've seen wipes in the Nier raids within the last couple of months.

I just wiped until stone vigil yesterday, lol. It was unbelievable

[OgruMogru]

bacon, eggs, hash browns, sausage, bagels, and a slew of other food that's not freshly cooked, but not stale, either. You can always pop it in the microwave for a few seconds and eat it while you wait for them to make waffles again.