Quitting ffxiv for good

[Ath192]

It seems you're looking for a different game from a different age, or perhaps just not yet letting sink in the variety of difficulty levels that exist within this game. Maybe go try Wildstar - they've dedicated themselves to making an MMO that's "old school" in having difficult dungeons, required grouping, etc....oh wait, that's right, they had to shut down because their playerbase was so small it couldn't sustain itself. The simple reality is that today's primary MMO demographic is not looking for the base-level of the game to be a wipe-fest. There are multiple levels of difficulty, even in a non-raid-centric game like FFXIV, above the base level that have the "danger" you seem to desire. I encourage you to try it out if you haven't yet. But your solution is to risk turning off a much larger number of people by making the base-game cater to what you want, instead of doing the content already designed for it.

I'll give another recent example. Destiny 2 seems to have focused on its "elite" gamers and streamers in the current expansion. Basic patrol zones have damage sponges, enemies that will one-shot you from far away, lost sectors with tons of adds, and even the first "step up" in difficulty forces your ilvl (equivalent) to be weaker than your opponents (whereas in the past this only happened at a higher difficulty step). The end result? The company just laid off a significant portion of its staff because so many players have left and pre-orders for the next expansion came in far below expectations.

Why do I say this? In another post, you mention that some people here are quitting. But guess what - many more are staying and joining. Make the base game at the difficulty you want, and many more would quit (and not be replaced).

Edit:



I think we might be on to something here. The impression I'm getting is that you're someone who feels that unless you needed to be at the top of your game the entire fight, then everything was meaningless and unenjoyable. If that's accurate, you're certainly welcome to feel that way. But I'd have to say that's probably very different than most people's experience. Take me, for example. As long as I'm doing the dance and engaging in the fight, I have fun. I still dodge the mechanics even though technically I could just sit there and absorb a few, because I'm just having fun playing the game.

Both of the examples you mentioned had issues beyond gameplay that affected their performance, and in fact, upon researching Destiny it seems like the gameplay is receiving good press and people are liking that aspect of it. So I don't think you can prove that difficulty was the reason why. I could cite counter examples like Elden Ring. Here is a snip of an article praising its gameplay for lightfall:

There are major improvements here
There are problems with Lightfall, and it’s hard to recommend the campaign right now. However, I don’t want to leave this story without saying that Destiny 2 as a game has seen a massive improvement with the expansion. The new build crafting system makes speccing out your Guardian deeper, more rewarding, and accessible. The Guardian Ranks finally provide a smooth onboarding experience for new players (something the community has been asking for over the last few years). I can confidently say that Destiny 2 as a game has never been in a better spot.

Season of Defiance, which launched alongside Lightfall, is fantastic as well. It’s a much more compelling tale than the one told in Lightfall, and comes with what might be the best seasonal activity Bungie has ever made. Various quality-of-life improvements have made their way into the game, too, finally fixing some fundamental problems with chasing loot you want, managing your inventory, and juggling an endless barrage of currencies. From a gameplay perspective, Lightfall is a huge win.

It’s the narrative that suffers. I’m hopeful that the upcoming Root of Nightmares raid pays off the story in a meaningful way, but it’s hard to imagine a world where delaying that conclusion makes the third act of Destiny 2‘s first saga better. My only hope is that The Final Shape, when it launches, retroactively makes Lightfall a better expansion.

Source:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming...r%20Lightfall.


If we're also going to cite player counts here XIV just dropped to its lowest player count since Jan 2021 before the WOW exodus brought in a huge surge of players to the run up to Endwalker. So I would say the game isn't doing super hot, failed to capitalize on retaining the huge new growth and is receiving negative press currently. It will remain to be seen if Dawntrail will bring everyone back but we'll find out. I know people like to hate on steamcharts because not everyone uses steam but I fail to see how steam users differ from their non-steam counter parts so firmly believe the trends would be similar across the board.

My guess is that Dawntrail won't be as big as Endwalker and we'll slowly shrink unless the changes make the current playerbase more happy and press/players turn more positive once more.

[caffe_macchiato]

If we're also going to cite player counts here XIV just dropped to its lowest player count since Jan 2021 before the WOW exodus brought in a huge surge of players to the run up to Endwalker. So I would say the game isn't doing super hot, failed to capitalize on retaining the huge new growth and is receiving negative press currently. It will remain to be seen if Dawntrail will bring everyone back but we'll find out. I know people like to hate on steamcharts because not everyone uses steam but I fail to see how steam users differ from their non-steam counter parts so firmly believe the trends would be similar across the board.

My guess is that Dawntrail won't be as big as Endwalker and we'll slowly shrink unless the changes make the current playerbase more happy and press/players turn more positive once more.

There are some issues here:

1) According to the forums, Steam is a completely separate player base that has largely nothing to do with the rest of the game, so their numbers don't count at all. The official census is from Lucky Bancho, who shows that the player base is still exploding like it was in 2021. If you disagree, you will be called a troll, or worse, you will be called me.

2) Many people say that journalists are only accurate when they're saying good things about the game, since the good things are facts and the bad things are not. If a journo says something negative, then he or she is only doing it for clicks and page views.

3) Everyone generally agrees that Dawntrail will bring a ton of people back. There will be massive login queues and the game will be massively popular.

Keep in mind that we are in a designated "play other games" period. Yoshi-P even assigned us games that He wants us to play instead of FFXIV. Did you beat all of them? If not, you are not upholding His will and doing as He instructed. FFXIV is the "play other games" game where, during the officially designated period, you shall not play. Except you should, because there's an unlimited amount of things to do, and if you don't play, we will see you tomorrow you troll. Does that make sense?

[Boblawblah]

There are some issues here:

1) According to the forums, Steam is a completely separate player base that has largely nothing to do with the rest of the game, so their numbers don't count at all. The official census is from Lucky Bancho, who shows that the player base is still exploding like it was in 2021. If you disagree, you will be called a troll, or worse, you will be called me.

2) Many people say that journalists are only accurate when they're saying good things about the game, since the good things are facts and the bad things are not. If a journo says something negative, then he or she is only doing it for clicks and page views.

3) Everyone generally agrees that Dawntrail will bring a ton of people back. There will be massive login queues and the game will be massively popular.

Keep in mind that we are in a designated "play other games" period. Yoshi-P even assigned us games that He wants us to play instead of FFXIV. Did you beat all of them? If not, you are not upholding His will and doing as He instructed. FFXIV is the "play other games" game where, during the officially designated period, you shall not play. Except you should, because there's an unlimited amount of things to do, and if you don't play, we will see you tomorrow you troll. Does that make sense?

*angrily subs*

[caffe_macchiato]

*angrily subs*

"If you have a problem with the game, you WILL unsub!" "D-did you just unsub?? No, we WILL see you tomorrow! You will NOT unsub!" (all 13 pages of this thread)

[JohncarterIx]

he likes cat girls

[Aword3213]

*angrily subs*

It's like seeing heavily modded hardcore ERPer complaining about ERP and modding tools

[sindriiisgaming]

keep in mind that we are in a designated "play other games" period. Yoshi-P even assigned us games that He wants us to play instead of FFXIV. Did you beat all of them? If not, you are not upholding His will and doing as He instructed. FFXIV is the "play other games" game where, during the officially designated period, you shall not play. Except you should, because there's an unlimited amount of things to do, and if you don't play, we will see you tomorrow you troll. Does that make sense?

A developer that doesn't want you playing his game but expects you to still sub and uses this as justification for less content... damn this guy is gona kill his own game just to try zelda 11. Rn is there is a massive conflict with the dev wanting to play other games and neglecting his own. He should just step down if he can't be bothered anymore. It's better than this farce

[TBerry]

A developer that doesn't want you playing his game but expects you to still sub and uses this as justification for less content... damn this guy is gona kill his own game just to try zelda 11. Rn is there is a massive conflict with the dev wanting to play other games and neglecting his own. He should just step down if he can't be bothered anymore. It's better than this farce

I think you misunderstood.
He wants you to be terminally online somewhere else.

[sindriiisgaming]

I think you misunderstood.
He wants you to be terminally online some somewhere else.

How's that better lol. He still can't be bothered with his own game

[Striker44]

snip

-There's a danger in just apparently referencing one random article on a game and acting as if it's necessarily telling an accurate story. Poke around practically anywhere from Destiny 2's forums, to fan sites, to reddit - yeah, that "gameplay" is being almost universally ripped apart. And your article from back in March then becomes this in November: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultas...h=116679cc3947

-The Steam data, as always, ends up supporting the growth of FFXIV when you make logical comparisons. For example, Patch 5.5 (pre-WoW exodus) launched in April 2021. The corresponding Patch 6.5 launched in October 2023. Yep - several thousand more active Steam players at the EW data point than the relevant ShB one. And that's been the pattern throughout the years. Similar points in each successive expansion show steady growth ARR --> HW --> SB --> ShB --> EW. The cycles also remain reliably regular, with the "low" point for each expansion typically occurring between the .5 patch and the immediate run-up to the next expansion's release.

-I haven't seen any reasonable person claim that the "WoW exodus" was anything but an anomaly. The two MMO's are very different games focused on different audiences, and many people went to FFXIV from WoW not because of FFXIV itself, but to "get away" from WoW and Blizzard. It was never feasible to expect more than a small handful of that group to actually stay here, nor would it have been a sensible business approach to radically alter FFXIV just to try catering to that group. I also haven't seen any "negative press" about FFXIV recently (or at least none worth the proverbial paper it's printed on). Doomsaying is just really old at this point, especially when all of the actual data shows the game continues growing.