Quitting ffxiv for good

[OdinelStarrei]

Wow, so I still have an active subscription until next Friday after canceling it yesterday and I didn't expect so many replies to my post. I see a lot of mean-spirited comments towards each other in the post I made and it's unfortunate because I thought the ffxiv community prided itself on being one of the friendliest and welcoming to one another however I also understand what a keyboard warrior is. My post isn't to encourage others to quit but give feedback to the development team that not only myself, but many veterans are saying as well as my friends who also left. I truly do not have any intention to come back to Dawntrail come 7.0 because the development team has not shown me a reason to with the fan fest's I have seen.

Again, my biggest complaint was that the casual content or midcore content got WAY to easy and didn't require any mental agility that the previous expansions did. The last two alliance raids that were released had fights not even threatening compared to previous expansion's (on launch). Healers and tanks are not pressured in content to preform and the encounter design has not utilized " adds" or additional enemies for damage checks, positioning, debufs as previous dungeons, trials and raids have. The encounter design is getting really lazy outside of savage and even in savage , fights are becoming body checks now.

If i am only savage raiding 4-5 hours a week and doing casual content 10+ hours a week I believe the majority of my experience will be negative with the lack of social content, rewards and engaging roulettes.

Expert roulette should feel like an expert dungeon meaning you should have a minor level of high play to do it. This is a final fantasy game There should be some level of threat imposed on a player thats short of an extreme trial. I dont know any other final fantasy game 1-16 that babies its player base to the extent 14 does.

I am not saying we need to go back to heavensward for job design but if you all dont see the encounter design getting too basic and lazy I am assuming you have not experienced previous expansions on or near min i level sync during release.

I truly wish you all the best and hope you have fun !

I mean, if you really break it down, this game's community dynamics are no different than any other. It's just your simple in/out-group hostility. End of expansion drought can also make people absolutely lose it. I'd say encouraging people to quit can, depending on your ulterior motives, be a morally correct action. That just isn't the case most of the time.

I actually wouldn't mind the casual/midcore content remaining the difficulty they are, because I think your primary issue stems not from encounter design, but combat design. Yeah, it's really boring doing anything, and the reason for that is because we've simply outgrown the game, and the game shrunk at the same time, instead of growing with it's playerbase. This body-check stuff really makes me FEEL like my brain is spilling out of my ears and true disassociation from the act of combat itself is almost inevitable. Truly a cocktail. You can build the tallest of towers (literally all the "gameplay" related content this game possesses), but if your fundamental foundations, as in, the actual act of playing your job, is just a miserable experience, it destroys almost all content, because you are doing a task with what you feel are subpar and inferior tools/materials. And that's when we have good encounter designs. If both those things are below what you're used to, it transforms from being just boring to straight up excruciating, as you start to feel the bitter pang of "These devs can do so much better than this, but they just don't, why am I wasting my life" It's sorta similar to modern day Pokemon, where building upon what has came before and satisfying all long-term fans is just not a viable path. When your satisfaction threshold becomes this high, you are just a low-value consumer, looking at it from the SE's cost perspective, and you really aren't worth keeping. This is ideally what your feedback is for, but let's be honest, no one really wants to engage with that, either on the developer or community level, and now that we are far past 1.X, there is little incentive for SE to cater to our interests.

I don't think you're even saying the game is actually bad, or that you are just bored, because I doubt that's the case. Maybe it's more like it's a persistent, unending disappointment. And that can be very draining, especially someone who is in the situation as yours, where you are surrounded by people and particularly, long term friends, who are saying the same things you are. It reinforces, and emboldens your own negative perception and perspective.

If you're looking for stuff to play instead, I've been a fan of puzzle games recently. Baba is You, Obra Dinn, the like. Breaking that up with some games that test mechanical skill like Ghostrunner, and Remnant II. There's always the next fanfest and the media tour to be let down in, but you don't have to pay money for those. As long as you don't feel chained in by a sunk-cost fallacy, being low-key disappointed constantly while minimally invested can become a bigger inside joke than actively theorizing and hoping for potential changes. An absolute statement like "for good", means you'd have to abide by that, and while I can respect it, I don't think being that inflexible is the best idea overall. You can just resign yourself to drifting away, and possibily drift back if things coincidentally align with your mindsets once again. Maybe if there were better exit surveys, people wouldn't feel compelled to make posts like yours so often. But, I understand the desire to rage against the machine.

You can post for two weeks from your last login, I think. Don't recommend it, though. Practice self-care.

[ty_taurus]

This is actually not true though is it? Most of this games decisions have been driven by player feedback historically, maybe less so now. And they are only revamping the graphics because we asked for them, not because it was the easy thing to do. With the developers personally thanking the players for staying through 1.0 and apologizing to them how can you reconcile your words with so much evidence to the contrary?

Something really interesting to consider is that there are many companies that pay a lot of money specifically on tools, resources, and employee time to collect data from people who are canceling subscriptions on why they are leaving the service. That data is incredibly important because companies want to know what is causing any form of hemorrhaging of their consumer base, even if that hemorrhaging isn't severe or putting them in danger.

[Jojoya]

This is actually not true though is it? Most of this games decisions have been driven by player feedback historically, maybe less so now.

We know that happened with 1.0 but 1.0 was a failed game. The only way to save it was to listen to what the players had to say.

Yes, I'll admit I expressed my thoughts badly there and so that comes across as unfair to the developers. It would have been more accurate to say they rarely choose to implement what's requested by player feedback unless player participation is below what they expect and they don't have any ideas they feel are better that will improve it.

But there's still the problem of whether SE's response is what the players were asking for in their feedback.

Players wanted gear rewards in Criterion. SE puts the weapon upgrade in Criterion Savage while nothing is added to Criterion.

Players want the relics weapons to be tied to something other than an exploration zone? SE makes them purchased through tomestones instead of giving them a unique process of acquisition that would feel like additional content.

Players want a lottery for housing instead of placard clicking. SE gives it to them, but not in the way players had visualized and tied to some additional changes that most players didn't want. Most players who left the original feedback would say they didn't get what they were asking for when the lottery was added.

Players not happy with Blue Mage design. This is one where I have to give the developers credit for trying to please players even while failing. The player base is not unified when it comes to what Blue Mage should be. It should be solo content! Group content! Casual content! Hardcore content! Trying to please those who were complaining inevitably made those who had been pleased upset. A good example of why developers frequently do their own thing instead of trying to make changes based on player feedback.

So how many times have players gotten exactly what they were asking for instead of SE choosing to respond in their own way? Not often.

I don't fault the developers for their choices, even when I may not personally like them. It is their game and their personal effort going into making the game.

But the last thing I want to do is leave an unhappy player with the idea that if they complain enough in the forums, the developers will change the game into what they want. The developers are going to continue to make the decisions about what they feel do or don't fit into the game, which are technological possible, and which are possible but not feasible from a time/cost/resource perspective.

Better to leave the feedback then move on if they're that unhappy with the state of the game. As long as they don't do something that will get them banned, they're always free to return to the game in the future when things look better to them. Just as the developers can always go back to read the feedback if the player base disappears one day.

[TaleraRistain]

Good luck, OP. It's not an easy thing to leave something that you enjoyed. I've played MMOs for over 20 years now. They grow and change and sometimes that change just isn't something that jives with a person anymore. I hope you're able to find the game that does jive with you and makes you content. Lots of us still enjoy this one and not because we're settling for mediocrity. Even if there are things that aren't our cup of tea, we're still able to find enjoyment and sometimes new things to enjoy from what drew us here in the past. Joyoya had a good comment in another thread about not needing the past to come back and being excited for the future. It sounds like you're not able to find something to be excited about for the future here, and that's perfectly valid. But I echo the sentiments that taking shots at players who are happy does give your feedback at the very least a mean-spirited feeling.

[Aword3213]

Nice, I feel like I’m back in Eighth grade. It’s the pettiness that really catches the nostalgia.

I'm sorry, professor Snape

I wouldnt say scummy just obvious attention seeking for the sake of stirring up heated discussions. Its so low brow and I dont take these threads seriously. The people whom actually genuinely quit are those that dont make a big deal out of it and do so without announcing it.

Especially when someone has announced his leave before

Unsubscribed today Eureka killed it
I have over 478 days of playtime , not days subscribed that is hours logged. I love Final Fantasy 14 and the majority of the content released until 4.1. This recent patch Eureka is a endless zergfest grind that is just so pointless for gear.

Give us EX trials we cant beat in 4 pulls with no guide
Give us these " harder 4 man dungeons or Min i level sync challenges
Give us a real open world content not this endless mob mashers we have
Fix your normal mode raid difficulty its to easy and savage should be savage not semi- cupcake difficulity.

Remember what the players like, we love the thrill of dodging mechanics and learning, weaving in rotations in difficult situations, the crazy clutch healer or tank limit breaks the synergy and teamwork needed to bring down the realms worst foes.

We do not like Mob Mashers eureka.

[JohncarterIx]

you cant even buy a sub at the mog station sold out

[sindriiisgaming]

Hey, Darty, here's another take on the issues you listed. Have you ever considered that part of the reason things seem so easy now is because you learned the mechanics and have done it all? I'm not sure what you're on about regarding the duty finder, though. I'm on Diabolos and am leveling my fourth job, currently NIN-58, and get my roulettes done every day with a wait time of five minutes on average. Anyway, perhaps it's less about any real or perceived changes in the game's direction but the fact you've simply gotten bored. And, that's okay! No game is meant to be played forever, or in long stretches.

If they would stop reskinning mecanics learning them wouldn't be an issue. Also some fights can still challenge you despite learning the mecs. I think p10s is a good example. I sometimes go into older fights and I do have to concentrate and do them right or they will 1shot me. New ones don't really do this. Yes they added doom but u can cleanse it. I also find criterion mecanics can still be hard even tho I'm almost cleared the dng.

[sindriiisgaming]

I'm sorry, professor Snape



Especially when someone has announced his leave before

Ehhh it was over 6 years ago cut the kid a break. Eureka did peeve a lot of players off and make em quit. But it's perfectly reasonable they came bk after it. He's leaving now for a different reason. Do I think he'll be back.. yes. Is that bad. No. He should come back in dt. Everyone should. Because its free content. If the patches make him unhappy he can just unsub again

[sindriiisgaming]

players wanted gear rewards in Criterion. SE puts the weapon upgrade in Criterion Savage while nothing is added to Criterion.

Players want the relics weapons to be tied to something other than an exploration zone? SE makes them purchased through tomestones instead of giving them a unique process of acquisition that would feel like additional content.

Players want a lottery for housing instead of placard clicking. SE gives it to them, but not in the way players had visualized and tied to some additional changes that most players didn't want. Most players who left the original feedback would say they didn't get what they were asking for when the lottery was added.

Players not happy with Blue Mage design. This is one where I have to give the developers credit for trying to please players even while failing. The player base is not unified when it comes to what Blue Mage should be. It should be solo content! Group content! Casual content! Hardcore content! Trying to please those who were complaining inevitably made those who had been pleased upset. A good example of why developers frequently do their own thing instead of trying to make changes based on player feedback.

You know I for the most part didn't even mind blue mage. I find it fun and wish they added more of it. The blue ult will be fun next expansion. And if we get bst I will also enjoy it. I enjoyed blunder till the hackers showed up. That achievement was kinda a mistake. I enjoyed pvp rework but crowd controll abuse needs a nerf. I enjoy the lottery system but ppl can abuse it with alts and they need to tighten the restrictions on one account with housing. Better everyone has 1 per dc than 100 ppl having every house. I enjoy criterion. Tho not savage. Despite its complainers. I enjoy some savages but only a tiny few this expansion. And i adore reaper despite its simple rotation. Its actually why i play it. Its approable unlike other melees. Its not like we hate everything. Just a lot of things

[Darty123]

I'm sorry, professor Snape



Especially when someone has announced his leave before

Yes I had unsubscribed 6 years ago but to me unsubscribing and quitting are two separate things ( to me) Also... you went back and found a post I made over 6 years ago?? You probably scoped out fflogs as well... CREEP