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  1. #31
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    Revelations from EE3:

    -Forgiven Obcenity *WAS* formely the singer who was punished by Vauthry in MSQ.
    -Omicrons were the strongest beings in the universe after defeating the Dragons (what does that say about us having dunked their strongest weapon?)

    -Avatars are the 13th reflection of their Reaper's soul. This might contradict Golbez being our 13th reflection, which is all but confirmed, given how their shadow "comes out" of us during Lunar Subterrane dungeon and their face is never shown and they are suspiciously unvoiced in a voiced cutscene....

    -Memories of Vauthry were partly included in the summoning of Fatebreaker. Many people assumed it was just Thancred/Ran'jit/Gukumatz, but the Light aspected cycles always reminded me of Vauthry.

    -Garlean Legatus armor have inlaid crystals with the hopes that they would store their memories for future use (like rudimentary job stones). These are implied to be the stones that were employed in the 2nd Generation Anti Eikon Warmachina series' Synthetic Auracite System.

    -Venat's group stole the "Deity" concept from the Bureau of the Architect to summon Hydaelyn, which was formely used in the summoning of Zodiark. This implies that the concept crystal for "Deity" may have been something the Words of Lahabrea submitted to the Bureau for testing and approval following the events of Pandaemonium. In other words, Athena's research may have directly laid the groundwork for Primal summoning. The other deduction of this finding is that the enthralling power of Athena may have inspired Lahabrea down the line to employ similar techniques in the corrupt version of creation magic he gifted to the Beast Tribes (which ensured their Primals would enthrall their summoners). Meaning this effect might be tied all the way back to some property or quality of the Heart of Sabik/Ultima's Auracites?

    (to give an in-universe reason for some monsters using similar models)
    -During the Flood of Darknesss, people's Souls intrinsically remembered a similar world-ending calamity (Final Days) and some souls were twisted with the memory of those creatures (Terminus Detonators), explaining the similarity between the two
    -Svarbhanu (the first blasphemy) greatly resembles The First Beast. Certain primordial fears are "burned into the very soul" so this is no coincidence.
    -Similarly, the Indigo Beast Blasphemy likely resembles Archaeotania because Archaeotania was Beast of the Final Days that resided in the sea and the soul remembers?
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  2. #32
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    Citation Envoyé par Cleretic Voir le message
    I checked, and they aren't; the descriptions of all the big-boy voidsent are all unique from the other descriptions of the same big-boy voidsent. However, a few of the dungeon boss descriptions seem to come near-exactly from their Triple Triad cards.

    [*]And the weirdest of all: The Elpis hunt monsters are all mentioned to in some way have roots in ancient myths: Ker is a broad boogeyman, Ophioneus seemed to inspire the Allagans to make hydra, Gurangatch was mentioned in Allagan tomestones of mythology as Meracydian, Petalodus is a Nymian myth, Yumcax is from somewhere in 'the New World', and Shockmaw is both mentioned in the South Sea Isles' folklore and presumed to be a proto-Bismarck.[/LIST]
    These were ripped directly from the Hunt descriptions already in-game. What's interesting to me is that Yumcax exists in the New World. If you are familiar with FF11's last major expansion, Seekers of Adoulin, Yumcax is one of the 8 Naakuals, or elemental guardian beasts of the New World Ulbulka, which while mostly resembling a primordial Australia, has Mesoamerican naming conventions. Yumcax was the Naakual of Earth. Perhaps these will be 7.1+ Trial Series?
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  3. #33
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    I don't know why so many didn't see the Vauthry/Innocence parts there in Fatebreaker. There is clear Lightwarden parts to the design that only come from Innocence. I think some knew that the final Mt. Gaulg boss was that poor au ra girl who panicked that she couldn't sing anymore. Just now it has an easier place for people to point to.
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    I feel people are just overthinking who the Azem shard of the 13th is again. Nothing is confirmed, nor do I expect it to, given the developers' desires for players to build up their own characters' lore. There's a reason why we've never seen Azem in-game or even in any of the short stories.

    As for Golbez, I think the reason we never see his face is because there was no reason to. For all intents and purposes, Durante is Golbez now, and the scene with him picking up his helmet is supposed to show his insecurity of playing the hero by putting on the mask of his deceased friend (in a figurative and literal sense). Showing us what the original Golbez looked like wouldn't have had any purpose since we didn't know what Golbez looked like outside of the armor, and from a developers' standpoint would have been a waste of time and resources to make since Golbez has a unique body that's unlike any of the other playable races.

    Also, Ardbert has an established face and voice, so it's not like Golbez not having a voice or face doesn't lend any credence to him actually being our counterpart.
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  5. #35
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    Citation Envoyé par SannaR Voir le message
    I don't know why so many didn't see the Vauthry/Innocence parts there in Fatebreaker. There is clear Lightwarden parts to the design that only come from Innocence. I think some knew that the final Mt. Gaulg boss was that poor au ra girl who panicked that she couldn't sing anymore. Just now it has an easier place for people to point to.
    Honestly, it's actually unclear if Forgiven Obscenity was the Canary; my reading of the EE3's hinting was that the Canary was killed and fed to sin eaters, and the Obscenity may have been an entirely different performer.

    ...which in retrospect is basically adding extra layers of horror and misdirection just for the sake of it. Which I would be mad about if this was something that ever mattered, but when it's a character/characters this minor, and the context is already horrifying to a point where neither angle is out-of-place, y'know what, go ahead.

    As for the Fatebreaker: I know I've been calling it 'Than'jinnocence' for years, but I guess there's people who shuffled that part back far enough that they didn't notice, or didn't care enough to take note.
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    Citation Envoyé par Jonnycbad Voir le message
    -Forgiven Obcenity *WAS* formely the singer who was punished by Vauthry in MSQ.
    Citation Envoyé par Cleretic Voir le message
    Honestly, it's actually unclear if Forgiven Obscenity was the Canary; my reading of the EE3's hinting was that the Canary was killed and fed to sin eaters, and the Obscenity may have been an entirely different performer.
    It's quite clear from EE3 that Forgiven Obscenity, the third boss of the Mount Gulg dungeon, is not the Canary. The implication is the Canary met a grisly end, whether the interpretation of "killed and fed to Sin Eaters" or "turned into Sin Eater, then turned into meol".

    However, Forgiven Obscenity was already present and a Sin Eater before the Canary was killed. EE3 states that Forgiven Obscenity was one of Vauthry's favourites, which again implies she was one of the lounging Sin Eaters we see when we first encounter Vauthry on our first visit to Eulmore.

    However, I honestly can't recall if Vauthry had punished any singers in the MSQ. As in, he certainly didn't do it in front of us, but I can't recall if there was any offhand mention of some Beehive singer who offended Vauthry and was ominously Never Heard From Again.
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  7. #37
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    Another cool revelation is that Eden was ACTIVE during the Flood of Light, going from region to region creating the empty. Eden was at the heart of the "flood" and Minfilia stopped Eden at Amh Araeng, blowing it southward where it remained disabled until we arrive to wake it up in the raid series.
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    So the section in Bozja's History, Inglorious New Purpose, where a Bozjan shire maiden uses her predictive powers to see the Meteor Project disaster coming, sends a covert commando unit into Garlemald itself to kidnap Midas nan Garland, and they are stopped by Cid and Nero!? That wasn't mentioned elsewhere in game, was it? The rest of the plot details mentioned I remembered from the in-game story text, but not this part.
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    Citation Envoyé par Jonnycbad Voir le message
    Another cool revelation is that Eden was ACTIVE during the Flood of Light, going from region to region creating the empty. Eden was at the heart of the "flood" and Minfilia stopped Eden at Amh Araeng, blowing it southward where it remained disabled until we arrive to wake it up in the raid series.
    This in retrospect made sense, because if you just assumed Eden was staying immobile and putting out a wave, then its 'resting point' would've been on the other side of the planet to Norvrandt, and that's one hell of a hovercraft ride.
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    So the section in Bozja's History, Inglorious New Purpose, where a Bozjan shire maiden uses her predictive powers to see the Meteor Project disaster coming, sends a covert commando unit into Garlemald itself to kidnap Midas nan Garland, and they are stopped by Cid and Nero!? That wasn't mentioned elsewhere in game, was it? The rest of the plot details mentioned I remembered from the in-game story text, but not this part.
    It's from one of the side stories on the Lodestone.

    The story focuses mainly on the Cid And Nero relationship, and I think kind of understates the whole bits about Bozja and Midas Garlond.
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