Feels like people are more toxic in high-end duty Party Finder than before

[Maltothoris]

What also doesn't help is how long they keep the tier locked. Before it has usually been about 4 or 5 months pre covid to unlock a tier. However, Asphodelos savage was unlocked 6 months after it was first released from January 4th to July 4th. Abyssos savage was released on August 30th 2022 and was unlocked on April 13th of 2023 so this was about 7 and a half months. Here the tier of Anabaseios (Savage) is still locked after about 7 months having been released on May 30. Going by their trends, they usually open the last o tier of the expansion in the patch 6.56 or patch 6.58. With what we know about how the patches are release, they would probably be released late February or early March which would make this tier last 9 months before being unlocked. Ever since they made the patch cycles longer, this kind of decay is just more noticeable now than it has been before.

[SerMicha]

Biggest thing for me is just no ultimate. Of course, no one expected an ultimate tied to this tier, but for me personally I literally run savage specifically for Ultimates. Without that, there's no reason to run the tier after my initial static disbands. There's like one piece of non-ultimate content that you could use savage BIS for besides savage itself, and it's honestly not one that I'm interested in.

Like others have said, good/patient players have mostly gotten what they wanted out of savage and bounced. They'll come back for DT savage for sure but we've still got quite the wait until then.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]I've returned recently to raid again, because I enjoyed them, but can't help but noticed, sometimes, when I was joining a premade party (with a healer in it), the later was always playing baddly on purpose, wasting all of their mana spamming the same shield over and over again when there was no threats, and starts attacking and harassing me for not healing, giving as proof their low mana, implying they were doing all the job, with most of the premade party attacking me too.
It never happened to me before. I've played several healers, healed the infamous Harrowing Hell week 1, and managed to kill it. I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, I've always played the same, and I never had any problem during the first weeks and months of raiding. I never had any problem with the two previous tier either. Can't say a thing from previous expac as I was playing a DPS[...]

GhostZukin perfectly describes what you're dealing with.

A majority of the good players have all quit 'til Dawntrail

What you're left with are the inexperienced ones or whoever missed the early boats. 9 out of 10 times when my static had to PF a co-healer to reclear or 12s progs when my usual co-healer or myself weren't available, they're a liability than an asset. On the other hand, I never seen any vitriols spewed into the chatbox though, so sorry to hear that you have to deal with that.

[sindriiisgaming]

chiming in before i read this properly (dyslexia) but i have 100% absolutley noticed that this games of has gotten to boiling point levels of toxicity. and you know.. its not just PF its duty finder too. tanks refusing to pull. healers refusing to heal and constantly having a semi afk dps spamming 1-2 and sometimes if ur lucky 3. you cant even vote kick them because theyre claim theyre still playing.. even though its obviously lethargic play and shouldnt be allowed by the terms of service... instead YOU have to be penalized for it.. i dont understand why this mmo wants people to play alone in trust but it very clearly does. ive been seeing more and more people in pvp either screaming down the frontline chat or just refusing to participate in CC. even had a group so toxic i was told to off myself just for saying hello in frontline (it went like,

"Hey guys lets have a good time out there"

reply :

"go touch grass"

my reply :

"im a gardener irl so thats not hard"

his second reply :

"go bury yourself in the garden then"

its absolutley wild...

as for pf.. ive seen stuff in the last 6 months alone thats just aweful. my friend got told she should have being coat hangered (abortion) another pf i saw 2 ppl telling eachother to KYS over p10s. ironically most of the toxicity comes out in zeromus farm parties. if somebody gets screwed over on meteors and cant get out the red fast enough... theyre attacked for not saccing thermselves.. yet the person who caused there dead.. (grp1) is not blamed at all.. gg yoshiP allowing a strat where you can actually kill people with nO consequence or blame... raiding latley in this game is a mine field and i wish square would ban these people when i reprot them but they do NOTHING. for the longest time i was banned from a few zurvan parties over 1 death in there after 12 weeks.. some of the same ppl (it was 7) even still have me banned from thordin ex despite that i have cleared on every role. its getting to breaking point honestly. i could not imagine how many blacklists i went on after p8s, and the sad reality is.. many wound up on mine too. they werent bad people.. but blacklisting became a thing of "this player is bad at a mecanic" and not "this person is a bad person" and its sad and its only making this community much smaller...and much more toxic and angry..

honestly anybody attacking Xbox players.. needs to look closer to home. (and btw BLU MAGE is by far the MOST toxic community)

[chaotix69]

You need to understand, the people getting mad, this is the only thing they have in life.

[Jeeqbit]

been raiding since Stormblood

I can promise people were more toxic in Stormblood than they are now. In Stormblood, it was either 1-wipe disband or 3-wipe disband. Now I join reclear parties on a regular basis where people will actually go for an hour or two (if the parties are that poor at mechanics) until the clear.

But that was on NA. You seem to be on a JP world and JP is a different culture entirely composed of people who mostly live in Japan. You're here discussing a JP issue in a forum with mostly NA and EU players.

the later was always playing baddly on purpose, wasting all of their mana spamming the same shield over and over again when there was no threats, and starts attacking and harassing me for not healing, giving as proof their low mana, implying they were doing all the job, with most of the premade party attacking me too.

Plenty of healers play badly like that and I usually don't notice it, because let's be honest, most of those buttons do the exact same thing: they heal people. As long as they actually press one of them when healing is needed, you don't really notice it.

As a Warrior for example, I usually don't want healing. I hit my Bloodwhetting or Equilibrium to make a point that I am healing myself. But they can never resist throwing a useless Excogitation or Benediction on me. Fortunately, it doesn't matter, because it's just one of their countless heals they wasted on me and they have plenty more.

I'm done with this game, what's the point of playing if people are at each's other throat because I guess attacking a rando is entertaining?

You're bound to have a bad experience once in a while. I've played the game about 9 years and had several bad experiences that made me feel that way. It's awful when people are rude but it's really not as common as you're suggesting so I suggest just venting it a bit to some friends and then move on from it. For PF, avoid any that have descriptions that indicate the Party Leader is toxic or otherwise not a chill person.

All of my friends left the game some months ago, and I think I'll do the same.

See to leave for that reason is fair enough, but over this one incident is a bit overblown. I know it doesn't feel good, but you'll get over it.

as for pf.. ive seen stuff in the last 6 months alone thats just aweful.

Seems you are on an EU world so maybe it's different in the EU region. I genuinely don't see that sort of thing in the NA region at all. The times I played on EU worlds, I did see that sort of toxicity in Expert and Trial roulettes alone, so it may be more of an EU thing. However, there are lots of great people in the EU region as well.

[Saraide]

The people who arent done with the tier yet are there for a reason. Sometimes that can just be coming back from an extended break but sometimes there are much worse reasons.

[sindriiisgaming]

Seems you are on an EU world so maybe it's different in the EU region. I genuinely don't see that sort of thing in the NA region at all. The times I played on EU worlds, I did see that sort of toxicity in Expert and Trial roulettes alone, so it may be more of an EU thing. However, there are lots of great people in the EU region as well.

i dont think its a reigonal dialect i dont think eu is exceptionally bad. I heard dynamis was super toxic dc from almost every1 on dynamis. so idk.. heard same for crytal and aether..

[Jeeqbit]

I heard dynamis was super toxic dc from almost every1 on dynamis.

That's probably because it's made up of almost entirely veteran players. If you examine the Lucky Bancho data, it is actually almost entirely alts and veteran players that went over. This is even clear if you look at the evidence of boosts bought on it (you can see by this massive spike of people at level 80 that barely exists elsewhere in the data). Veteran players are more likely to be impatient because they already know how to do everything efficiently, and that can come across as toxicity.

so idk.. heard same for crytal and aether..

I was on Crystal for a very long time. It was the nicest people ever, because most of the ones with attitudes transferred over to Aether because it was the raid DC. It left mostly people who were nice enough to stay behind and teach sprouts, and sprouts who were nice due to how new they were to the game. It reflected this in the higher-end duties as well as they completed the MSQ.

On Aether I don't see it at all either, so this sprout effect even happened to Aether. I've not seen any of these awful things you described said in any dungeon, trial, frontline, alliance raid, hunt train, extreme and savage prog, farm or reclear parties, at all.

I do the alliance raid every week, I do expert on many days of the week, I have grinded all the series rewards from PvP every patch (the last few patches through Frontline), I have done an amount of hunts that I have the victor mount and almost the 10k A rank achievement and I've seen nothing like you described.

Yet, my few, rare visits to the EU region I have seen the behaviour you described. Just casually going into an Expert roulette, people have treated an average returning player so poorly that it has made me uncomfortable and I've seen insults hurled at people just doing the trial and raid roulettes. There are people in the EU region who are far more blunt with their words and unaware of the rules it seems like to me.

[Doozer]

I was on Crystal for a very long time. It was the nicest people ever, because most of the ones with attitudes transferred over to Aether because it was the raid DC. It left mostly people who were nice enough to stay behind and teach sprouts, and sprouts who were nice due to how new they were to the game. It reflected this in the higher-end duties as well as they completed the MSQ.

I sometimes encounter toxicity on Crystal, but it's not a thing exclusive to Crystal. Some people are just difficult to talk to or work with, no matter where they are. I definitely wouldn't call Crystal "super toxic" either, I think people just only hear bad stories. I think the biggest problem we have is roleplayers that would rather chat mid-duty than actually play, but really only in normal content.