Suggestion: do NOT remove MainScenario Roulette from Mentor BUT instead change this?

[VeRain]

INTRO (how it is now):
Since the mentor roulette has all sorts of duties in it, there has always been debate if this or that should be in it.
But I don't think that the number of duties should be reduced.
However, it is annoying to get for example a main scenario roulette duty on mentor when there weren't even any wipes or anything.
Why? Because those duties are very time consuming even when done perfectly, this is acknowledged in the rewards of said roulette. Mentor roulette provides fewer rewards while also not being able to choose the duty.

MY SUGGESTION:
When a mentor gets placed in a duty that is part of a roulette where they have not yet claimed the rewards, they should receive those simultaneously.

For example, if a mentor queues for mentor roulette and gets a msq arr ending dungeon like praetorium then it is treated as if they participated in the ms roulette as well. Have they not claimed that reward it is claimed and cannot be claimed again, have they claimed it already there will be no effect.

Further thoughts on consequences.
I think that doing so would make getting these duties feel less of a punishment. It also doesn't come at a cost in my opinion since they can still only claim the rewards once AND if they do not wish to claim said rewards on a lvl 90 class (as they would via mentor roulette) they can simply run the msq roulette first before doing mentor roulette.

At least I would really appreciate that and I think others might agree seeing as the frustration with getting msq roulette on mentor roulette is something I heard others voice as well.

I think not removing them is fair enough since having the mentors to fill slots can drastically remove queue times for sprouts and we do want to help after all but it does feel like getting cheated in the time vs reward department.




So, what do y'all think? Does that sound like a compromise?

[Frizze]

An interesting idea. Off the top of my head i cant see any obvious exploits it would allow. We know the system can handle different rewards for the same content. How easy it would be to add i cant say. But interesting.

[Rongway]

I don't think there should be a compromise. We are just not needed in DR:MSQ duties, period. The boss fights are simple and it doesn't take a mentor to sit there and watch cutscenes. There are plenty of people actually queuing for DR:MSQ for the massive experience rewards. They don't need mentors to fill those seats.

In the time the game forces me to sit through a 35 minute Praetorium they could have put me in two or three dungeons or trials where I actually mattered.

[Astrahime]

I don't think there should be a compromise. We are just not needed in DR:MSQ duties, period. The boss fights are simple and it doesn't take a mentor to sit there and watch cutscenes. There are plenty of people actually queuing for DR:MSQ for the massive experience rewards. They don't need mentors to fill those seats.

In the time the game forces me to sit through a 35 minute Praetorium they could have put me in two or three dungeons or trials where I actually mattered.

Can we remove Memoria Misera EX from Mentor Roulette as well? I can't think of a single person that actually wants to do it synced.

Either remove the 3 MSQ duties from Mentor Roulette, or remove MSQ roulette.

[Rongway]

Either remove the 3 MSQ duties from Mentor Roulette, or remove MSQ roulette.

I have no objections to removing DR:MS in addition to removing MSQ duties from DR:Mentor as people can run these duties with Duty Support if they don't want to wait for queues.

However, removing DR:MS alone is not a good alternative to removing the MSQ duties from DR:Mentor because then only mentors would be filling those seats, which, as I have maintained every time this topic has come up over the years, is a gross waste of mentor time.

[Astrahime]

I have no objections to removing DR:MS in addition to removing MSQ duties from DR:Mentor as people can run these duties with Duty Support if they don't want to wait for queues.

However, removing DR:MS alone is not a good alternative to removing the MSQ duties from DR:Mentor because then only mentors would be filling those seats, which, as I have maintained every time this topic has come up over the years, is a gross waste of mentor time.

Question: Out of the times that you've been thrown into a MSQR duty from Mentor Roulette, how many of them (as a percentage) have had 0 new-timers? Saying "but duty support" is a slippery slope that could lead to the only duties in mentor roulette being Normal and Alliance Raids, 8man Trials other than the level 89 one, non-MSQ dungeons, and Guildhests.

MSQ Roulette is obsolete. Most of my Prae runs have been with people who are just there for the easy tomes. SE needs to remove MSQ Roulette and stop giving people mogtomes for doing those duties in Irregular events.
Especially considering that in the pre-6.5 event, people started abusing the amount of tomes Prae gave alongside a third-party program that removed all unskippable cutscenes to make it give far more tomes/hour than it was ever intended to. (This may have happened in the pre-6.4 event as well, but I heard about it happening in Tenfold Pageantry.)

[Rongway]

Question: Out of the times that you've been thrown into a MSQR duty from Mentor Roulette, how many of them (as a percentage) have had 0 new-timers?

I get MSQ duties in DR:Mentor at least twice a day, and the no-newbies occurrences are at least often enough to be conspicuous.

Saying "but duty support" is a slippery slope that could lead to the only duties in mentor roulette being Normal and Alliance Raids, 8man Trials other than the level 89 one, non-MSQ dungeons, and Guildhests.

Absolutely not interested in slippery slope arguments in this case because my argument for removing the DR:MS duties from DR:Mentor is not “duty support exists”; it is “it doesn’t take a mentor to watch unskipable cutscenes”. If you reread my earlier reply you will see that duty support has absolutely nothing to do with removing duties from DR:Mentor.