DT Relic Proposal

[Saraide]

This thread just proves that people in here dont want to play the game, they want to be told to play the game. The self loathing afterwards is the reward people yearn for.

[RitsukoSonoda]

This thread just proves that people in here dont want to play the game, they want to be told to play the game. The self loathing afterwards is the reward people yearn for.

This post is just an example of the oral diarrhea thrown out in an attempt to convince people laziness is a good thing.

[ForteNightshade]

This just proves exactly what I'm saying though....
I came in to talk about what I liked about the Endwalker relics and how they can be improved, but there seems to be no option for discussion. People like yourself are disingenuously claiming that you have had content "stolen" from you or that anyone who disagres with you is "lazy" and "wants a handout".
There is no discussion to be had when one side comes in bad faith and tries to constantly and disingenuously paint the other side like that. There is no compromise with it or discussion, So I suppose we can let this go back to what the last 5 threads about relics have been, people who miss the ARR books whining about how it "means nothing" now that everyone can get a relic, they all agree with each other, echo chamber ensues, and then they are surprised when other people don't share their same opinion.

You keep using that word. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

First and foremost, I never once claimed anyone was lazy for preferring this method. I simply stated it requires no actual effort. Which is true. You even acknowledge as much yourself, albeit indirectly, when mentioning how passive they are. That, by definition, is effortless. You aren't actively doing content for the relic but are simply earning tomes through dailies, hunts or whatever that you would have otherwise.

As for content being "stolen". How else would you describe something removed with no replacement. If come JP fanfest they announce outside of the initial 7.0 launch, dungeons will no longer be made so they can put that effort towards a third Ultimate. Would you not feel a bit slighted that content you've enjoyed was taken away to make someone for a different demographic? This wasn't even a case of them trying something new that simply didn't work. They added nothing. In fact, Hildebrand's inclusion kind of feels entirely forced because without making it mandatory, you quite literally have a single quest to begin your relic "journey."

Regardless, for someone insisted the discussion is "disingenuous" or one-sided, your initial post did nothing but lambast Exploratory content and how much you despised it as Neko pointed out. How is that not "in bad faith?" Beginning a supposed discussion with "I essentially hate everything about the old relics" isn't exactly opening up to compromise. Especially when you mouth off about echo chamber nonsense. Plenty of us have different ideas on how we'd prefer the relics to go in Dawntrail. Our only actual agreement is we want something involved. Granted, I'll say this much. The relics have kept the marketboard somewhat alive. So... yay?

Basically, the impression you're giving is you might throw a bone out but what the relic to remain mostly the same going forward. Naturally, a lot of people will disagree outright because this method has been divisive to say the least. So much, in fact, Yoshida himself acknowledged the criticism they were getting.

[elioaiko]

I'm sorry, if exploratory zones are too much for you, it's not like you have to grind them immediately.

It's probably healthier mentally to do them in short bursts. I mean, who are you trying to impress? Everybody's gonna have the same weapons in the end.

EW relic grind is literally just a tome grind and that's even more boring IMO. Ironic considering that the game is gonna have a content drought that a Bozja/Eureka like content would help fill.

People who like EW relic grind are just people who want their relics without trying.

[Asari5]

i would be fine keeping it as relics are in ew IF they give us something else to do. its like a lot of other stuff in this nowadays. there is no flavour anymore. doing the same stuff you do anyway(!) is no fun