DT Relic Proposal

[NekoMataMata]

This just proves exactly what I'm saying though....
I came in to talk about what I liked about the Endwalker relics and how they can be improved, but there seems to be no option for discussion. People like yourself are disingenuously claiming that you have had content "stolen" from you or that anyone who disagres with you is "lazy" and "wants a handout".
There is no discussion to be had when one side comes in bad faith and tries to constantly and disingenuously paint the other side like that. There is no compromise with it or discussion, So I suppose we can let this go back to what the last 5 threads about relics have been, people who miss the ARR books whining about how it "means nothing" now that everyone can get a relic, they all agree with each other, echo chamber ensues, and then they are surprised when other people don't share their same opinion.

You started the whole discussion in bad faith. Literally go back to page 1:

Yeah it's pretty nice this time around for not forcing you to do either extremely tedious content (ARR/HW) or do Exploratory Zones you don't want to be in (SB/SHB).
I've posted about it on here before but having it earned through the grinding you're already doing in other content is great and freeing, I don't feel like I'm shoehorned into content I don't want to be in. I can go grind whatever content I want and still make progress without having some arbitrary "do 100 fates" or "clear each normal raid series 60 times" kind of tasks that just drag things out for no reason. And I don't have to deal with zones like Bozja and Eureka that die out very quickly.

It's feels good honestly given how bad a lot of relics were in the past.

Most of this is purely your opinion, with a bit of misinformation sprinkled in. For instance, Bozja didn't actually require you to work on the relic purely in Bozja. The ShB relics offered an alternative(s) for each step, and there's only one step where the alternative is really unreasonable.

But then we look at the rest of your post. You don't like fates, you don't like normal raids, you don't like grinding in general. You want to compromise? Maybe try being open minded yourself first. Your comments essentially suggest that no matter what is offered if it isn't easy then you're not interested.

Personally, I'm not one of those people that is deadset on another exploratory zone, Eureka has my least favorite relic grind. I would take something similar to ARR/HW, even with it being toned down some. People like yourself will of course refuse to have it any other way than it is now though. I can guarantee you that if the relics for DT changed back to an older model you would be screaming about how non-inclusive they are.