Quote Originally Posted by Merrigan View Post
I don't think you're really responding to what he was saying.

It's possible to find groups on FF who are willing to help you learn. It's not a question of being lazy or anything, just of having the opportunity to learn - by putting in the effort, of course. Just so you don't see the classic "FF fanboy" response: I know there's toxicity on FF, etlitism and the like. But on the whole, you can still find healthy groups and guilds for newcomers.

On WOW, it's more complicated. Hence "Just be good": you're expected to be good, even if it's your first raid, when you've just arrived and aren't yet very familiar with the game's mechanics. In a situation where you'll be less effective than the player who's been around for several expansions, not because you're a bad player per se, but because all MMOs require a period of acclimatization in terms of rhythm, recurring mechanics, combat design, etc. etc. By the way, you don't need to go into HL content to find this mentality: I've seen people kicked out of levelling dungeons many, many times... Because they said they were new.
From how they worded it it seems they expected to be carried or have a group to work around 1 persons suboptimal performance. It's one thing to be in a static starting out and the whole group learns together or a experienced group looking for a filler spot and willing to teach its just how they worded there post is why I made the post I did because they worded it like they didn't care if they or anyone else performs suboptimal and drag a group down or not learn a fight. But ff14 is a mixed bag of raid groups just like wow where you can find really nice helpful groups or extremely toxic groups it depends on how lucky you are with the group you find.