Time for an anti-cheat

[HikariKurosawa]

Because the other software I put on my computer is on purpose. I pay for the game, I install the game to play the game. If I install third-party applications or mods, those things are what I get when I install and use them. I don't pay nor install to have something else installed too. That's all.

Think about it like this though, I came to FFXIV because addons and third party tools are against ToS. This is the product I paid for and installed. Players are legally bound to not using these tools so it is a fair assumption for me to make that square will uphold the rules they put in the terms of service. Someone was saying "lawsuit incoming" and yeah maybe someone should file a class action lawsuit against square for not holding up their end of the ToS. I paid for a product that was said to be a certain way and they are not holding up their end of the bargain.

I don't pay to play with people who cheat. It's false advertisement for people like that to be allowed to continue having open access to the game. It absolutely negatively impacts my experience because the end game scene is structured around abusing third party tools. Statics require it, PF requires it, the majority of people engaging in progressive level content are using it so you are inevitably going to be playing with cheaters in a team based game. There is no way of ensuring you have an honest experience in this game until they introduce an anti-cheat. The expectations the players have in end game are based on the results that cheats produce. It is toxic and bad for the health of the game. Then you have people that are in content that they have no business being in because their addons increase the level of performance they can get away with. They do not have the capacity to clear the content without the addons, yet do with the addons. This is not a healthy version of accessibility.

I'll make it simple for you to understand too, it would be like installing an aimbot in an fps because you have a motor skill issue. Obviously this is not ethical in any way at all, sure this person has really bad aim otherwise and probably couldn't even play the game, but there is never an excuse to cheat. Ever.

Also, to all the people trying to say I ever attacked a disabled person... Get a grip on reality. You're so far out of touch it's actually hilarious. You're not going to phase me by guilting me for something I never did. I checked doozer's post history and they've never once made a topic about accessibility in this game either. This thread is not the place for that talk. I do not care if they are disabled and it is not relevant to this topic. Try to keep things on topic.

[Boblawblah]

I came to FFXIV because addons and third party tools are against ToS.

You started playing a game because addons are against the TOS? I'm trying to imagine someone shopping around for games and thinking "Oh, that game has a TOS that said 'no addons'! Nice, i'll definitely try that one" or "Oh no, that game allows people to use addons, I'm definitely not playing that game".

Also, bonus points for implying that SE could be sued for not being as strict on THEIR OWN TOS as they could be.

edit: I don't know why I respond to these threads, it has Gaius written all over it

[HikariKurosawa]

You started playing a game because addons are against the TOS? I'm trying to imagine someone shopping around for games and thinking "Oh, that game has a TOS that said 'no addons'! Nice, i'll definitely try that one" or "Oh no, that game allows people to use addons, I'm definitely not playing that game".

Also, bonus points for implying that SE could be sued for not being as strict on THEIR OWN TOS as they could be.

edit: I don't know why I respond to these threads, it has Gaius written all over it

I played WoW for more years than FFXIV has been a successful mmo, I was tired of addons and this game was a breath of fresh air. Who would have thought that it's annoying to play with addons being an expectation?

ToS goes both ways, it is a mutual agreement and it determines the state of the product and the expectations of the player's experience to a large extent. They absolutely could be sued for it.

Idk who you're trying to fool, you were done the first second you said "skill issue" to someone with a disability, and then proceeded to say "I dont care about your disability".

You are just a terrible human being really and you won't get compassion on this forum after the things you've said.

Also lol @ the constant "people are cheating!!!!" whining, grow up already, it has 0 impact on you if someone looks better than you do (which isn't hard to do) or if someone has actual hats as Viera.

Grow. Up. Lmao

Nobody in their right mind cares about receiving compassion in a video game forum. It will never be up to the players whether an anti-cheat is implemented or not. I couldn't care less how you or anyone else reacts to these threads. It is for the people at square.

[Stormpeaks]

I played WoW for more years than FFXIV has been a successful mmo, I was tired of addons and this game was a breath of fresh air. Who would have thought that it's annoying to play with addons being an expectation?

ToS goes both ways, it is a mutual agreement and it determines the state of the product and the expectations of the player's experience to a large extent. They absolutely could be sued for it.



Nobody in their right mind cares about receiving compassion in a video game forum. It will never be up to the players whether an anti-cheat is implemented or not. I couldn't care less how you or anyone else reacts to these threads. It is for the people at square.

I'm sure Yoshi P is working on it right now thanks to your post lmao, I'm sure they are big scared of you suing them, probably shaking in their boots right now

[Stormpeaks]

Think about it like this though, I came to FFXIV because addons and third party tools are against ToS. This is the product I paid for and installed. Players are legally bound to not using these tools so it is a fair assumption for me to make that square will uphold the rules they put in the terms of service. Someone was saying "lawsuit incoming" and yeah maybe someone should file a class action lawsuit against square for not holding up their end of the ToS. I paid for a product that was said to be a certain way and they are not holding up their end of the bargain.

I don't pay to play with people who cheat. It's false advertisement for people like that to be allowed to continue having open access to the game. It absolutely negatively impacts my experience because the end game scene is structured around abusing third party tools. Statics require

Blah blah blah

Idk who you're trying to fool, you were done the first second you said "skill issue" to someone with a disability, and then proceeded to say "I dont care about your disability".

You are just a terrible human being really and you won't get compassion on this forum after the things you've said.

Also lol @ the constant "people are cheating!!!!" whining, grow up already, it has 0 impact on you if someone looks better than you do (which isn't hard to do) or if someone has actual hats as Viera.

Grow. Up. Lmao

[Absurdity]

It absolutely negatively impacts my experience because the end game scene is structured around abusing third party tools. Statics require it, PF requires it, the majority of people engaging in progressive level content are using it so you are inevitably going to be playing with cheaters in a team based game.

Source: Trust me bro.
Man, I would really like to see all those "ACT and whatever-that-supposed-tool-that-plays-the-game-for-you-is mandatory or kick" party finder listings.

[Saraide]

Source: Trust me bro.
Man, I would really like to see all those "ACT and whatever-that-supposed-tool-that-plays-the-game-for-you-is mandatory or kick" party finder listings.

Source: the other thread (that was also wrong about this)

[Ivtrix]

Think about it like this though, I came to FFXIV because addons and third party tools are against ToS. This is the product I paid for and installed. Players are legally bound to not using these tools so it is a fair assumption for me to make that square will uphold the rules they put in the terms of service. Someone was saying "lawsuit incoming" and yeah maybe someone should file a class action lawsuit against square for not holding up their end of the ToS. I paid for a product that was said to be a certain way and they are not holding up their end of the bargain.

I don't pay to play with people who cheat. It's false advertisement for people like that to be allowed to continue having open access to the game. It absolutely negatively impacts my experience because the end game scene is structured around abusing third party tools. Statics require it, PF requires it, the majority of people engaging in progressive level content are using it so you are inevitably going to be playing with cheaters in a team based game. There is no way of ensuring you have an honest experience in this game until they introduce an anti-cheat. The expectations the players have in end game are based on the results that cheats produce. It is toxic and bad for the health of the game. Then you have people that are in content that they have no business being in because their addons increase the level of performance they can get away with. They do not have the capacity to clear the content without the addons, yet do with the addons. This is not a healthy version of accessibility.

I'll make it simple for you to understand too, it would be like installing an aimbot in an fps because you have a motor skill issue. Obviously this is not ethical in any way at all, sure this person has really bad aim otherwise and probably couldn't even play the game, but there is never an excuse to cheat. Ever.

Also, to all the people trying to say I ever attacked a disabled person... Get a grip on reality. You're so far out of touch it's actually hilarious. You're not going to phase me by guilting me for something I never did. I checked doozer's post history and they've never once made a topic about accessibility in this game either. This thread is not the place for that talk. I do not care if they are disabled and it is not relevant to this topic. Try to keep things on topic.

Man I really love raid gatekeeping from people who have never touched a raid before

[HikariKurosawa]

Man I really love raid gatekeeping from people who have never touched a raid before

I mean it illustrates the point of this thread: you are expected to cheat to participate.

I really love gatekeeping of raiding from people who cheat to get by though.

Source: Trust me bro.
Man, I would really like to see all those "ACT and whatever-that-supposed-tool-that-plays-the-game-for-you-is mandatory or kick" party finder listings.

I never mentioned which third party tools in specific, but yes, it is an expectation to use cheats in this game for a majority of parties. Always funny to see this kind of argument being posted. You act like the only problematic cheats are the most severe ones.

At the end of the day, it's going to be a good day in eorzea when all the cheaters are removed from the experience.

[Ivtrix]

I mean it illustrates the point of this thread: you are expected to cheat to participate.

I really love gatekeeping of raiding from people who cheat to get by though.

I’m appalled that you are accusing me of cheating with no proof. So sit down with your loser mentality because no raiding group will take you with that mentality irregardless of ToS abiding. You have a poor attitude and it really shows in this thread.