Time for an anti-cheat

[Anonemoose]

Cheating in PVP is so rife I'd prefer they just delete the game mode if they don't plan on cracking down and banning cheaters.

Besides the obvious example of add-ons, there's also the popular Discord groups that turn Frontlines into a win-trading cult of personality. I'd go as far to say that if you banned all the members of those Discord communities you'd remove ~80% of the cheaters, because the overwhelming majority of them cheat with add-ons too.

[Absurdity]

Fine speech, Nostradamus, but how do you think slapping EAC on it is going to solve any of this? You've got a handful of social and design problems there. You can't fix those with engineering - better people have tried and failed.

EAC would be an amazing addition to XIV, it's super effective, just ask Elden Ring, lmao. Yes that was a joke, it would probably be more effective to ask players nicely.

[Saraide]

EAC would be an amazing addition to XIV, it's super effective, just ask Elden Ring, lmao. Yes that was a joke, it would probably be more effective to ask players nicely.

Fromsoft games are perhaps the most futile attempt at anticheat. After DS1 they introduced anticheat and it has made the cheating situation worse because the only thing it effectively delayed was the user created anticheat mod.

[UkcsAlias]

EAC would be an amazing addition to XIV, it's super effective, just ask Elden Ring, lmao. Yes that was a joke, it would probably be more effective to ask players nicely.

All these platforms require maintenance. And its not about instantly being effective, detection can take time to happen. Even if it takes a year to catch a player, that player now lost his account, in probably an even more painful way (more progress lost). And its especialy humiliating for streamers. That is why EAC is often used. Its not even ment to catch it all, its to deter usage. And it does a fine enough job. A player with a 10y old account is not going to risk losing it, so is most likely going to stop (and complain on the forums that certain qol features are lacking).

The real problem however is that the worst abusers use rootkits to circumvent detection. Rootkits are however a massive security issue. And to counter these, SE would also need to have a rootkit baced AC. Its a situation you dont want to go to. Yet this is the only way to stop the pvp and botting problem. And not even a permanent one either (maintenance is required).

I would say that valve's method of using machine learning on the server side, combined with manual reviewing, and player based reporting, does a decent job though without requiring a strong AC. Being server sided it might not detect a lot, but the worst offenders can often be caught (and lets be honest, those are usualy the worst to face. one that is barely notible is often not deemed a problem as it can still be fun to play against them since they arent flawless and can be beaten).

And this is where SE realy needs to do better effort. Those gold advertisements with machine learning could most likely have been detected in less than 5minutes using such methods.

[Sindele]

True, I should have specified 'on the games they're actually focusing on', I just tend to think of that as more of a 'business practices' problem with them. Valve's weird flat structure model and people waltzing away from any project that loses momentum has periodically trainwrecked TF2, but it also outright killed Artifact and Underlords and any of the six million dead Steam initiatives through the years.

Of course, if you look at TF2 as an example here - yet again, it's the enforcement problem, isn't it? The whole process only works if you're investing in it and someone's at the wheel. You can't just engineer it away.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Guys, just stop. I pretty much gave up talking to this alleged person when they seemed unable to understand the difference between a zoomhack and a Viera hat. They're either thriving off the attention or they just like malding, and I don't really care which.

[Rithy255]

Guys, just stop. I pretty much gave up talking to this alleged person when they seemed unable to understand the difference between a zoomhack and a Viera hat. They're either thriving off the attention or they just like malding, and I don't really care which.

They're a troll or cannot understand people have different perspective on things, doesn't take a genius to know it's actually a way more nuanced topic then >put anti cheat, game fix. But if you don't share the exact same opinion as them then you've obviously got ill intentions!

I'd lean more towards the troll side, I made two comments because I've been watching this thread and another that I choose not to post (also a random dps thread where they kept bringing it up, where i was posting). But you're likely right, they aren't really worth the time and effort, they're likely enjoying the attention.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

They're a troll or cannot understand people have different perspective on things, doesn't take a genius to know it's actually a way more nuanced topic then >put anti cheat, game fix. But if you don't share the exact same opinion as them then you've obviously got ill intentions!

I'd lean more towards the troll side, I made two comments because I've been watching this thread and another that I choose not to post (also a random dps thread where they kept bringing it up, where i was posting). But you're likely right, they aren't really worth the time and effort, they're likely enjoying the attention.

Yeah, troll. No functional human being is this incapable of understanding an argument. They've yet to reply honestly to anything, and I just saw them strawman you.

[Enjuden]

If only.

But I imagine most people that are on here use discord, and well. Word travels fast.