Time for an anti-cheat

[Aword3213]

That's fine, and you're welcome to have that opinion. I'm not allowed to post any proof because it breaks TOS.

But you will never have a World First race be publicly acknowledged by the developers again. The game will look and feel less and less like FFXIV when all of your friends start asking you where your plugins are. You will realize that less and less people play the game because it's been trivialized to obsolescence and people would rather ERP instead. You can stick around in FFXIV, but you will be disappointed. Most likely, you will move away from FFXIV and find a different game. You will say this is a good thing and proves that FFXIV is perfectly fine, but you will struggle to find your same friends in those new games. Bad decisions with FFXIV will hurt people the same way that WoW's fall did. Many people are still upset about what happened to their previous game, so why should we let that happen here? It didn't have to be this way.

Square Exnis thanks you for the undying support with fantasia purchases.

[NekoMataMata]

For those of you at home, this is what one calls 'a lie'. Like, blatant, bold-faced, Fox News-grade, disprovable-in-ten-seconds-by-anyone-who-looks lying. You should be better than that. You aren't, clearly, but you should be.

Neither of you are being completely honest here.

My old FC's raiding channels had a bunch of pins for entirely free add-ons for the popular launcher people use. Stuff that would add overlays and tell you where to move. I doubt it's naturally integrated into the launcher since you need guides to set it up, but it is free.

I assume whoever runs the launcher has the same outlook as SE and doesn't want the drama that would come from trying to police whatever people use it for.

[Mosha]

Neither of you are being completely honest here.

My old FC's raiding channels had a bunch of pins for entirely free add-ons for the popular launcher people use. Stuff that would add overlays and tell you where to move. I doubt it's naturally integrated into the launcher since you need guides to set it up, but it is free.

I assume whoever runs the launcher has the same outlook as SE and doesn't want the drama that would come from trying to police whatever people use it for.

There talking about autorotation specifically and it falls into the same stuff you mentioned it isn't directly integrated into the launcher.

[Sindele]

Neither of you are being completely honest here.

My old FC's raiding channels had a bunch of pins for entirely free add-ons for the popular launcher people use. Stuff that would add overlays and tell you where to move. I doubt it's naturally integrated into the launcher since you need guides to set it up, but it is free.

I assume whoever runs the launcher has the same outlook as SE and doesn't want the drama that would come from trying to police whatever people use it for.

I'm being as honest as is possible without flying too close to the sun. There's wild enough stuff out there without making new things up.

Mosha's right, but I'll add that the most common tools like the ones you mention predate the launcher and don't necessarily require memory injection (though I believe it's used currently because it's more reliable than the alternative after the TCP compression changes this year.)

I would say that valve's method of using machine learning on the server side, combined with manual reviewing, and player based reporting, does a decent job though without requiring a strong AC. Being server sided it might not detect a lot, but the worst offenders can often be caught (and lets be honest, those are usualy the worst to face. one that is barely notible is often not deemed a problem as it can still be fun to play against them since they arent flawless and can be beaten).

And this is where SE realy needs to do better effort. Those gold advertisements with machine learning could most likely have been detected in less than 5minutes using such methods.

Lots can be said about Valve's business practices, but their approach to cheating and enforcement has consistently been some of the best-in-class and a model worth following.

[Rolder50]

Ah, but WoW is the proof that anticheat works! Just don't google 'rotation bot'.

Odd, I googled it and some of the main results are about massive banwaves... guess the anti cheat does work!

[Aword3213]

Odd, I googled it and some of the main results are about massive banwaves... guess the anti cheat does work!

How disingenuous can one possibly be

[Mcg55ss]

Ah, but WoW is the proof that anticheat works! Just don't google 'rotation bot'.

I mean to be fair WoW was so simple for hunters at one point they made it into a macro and bound it to their mouse wheel in BC I think

[Sindele]

It's not correct. I'm perfectly aware of what is available, publicly and otherwise. I am also aware of what is specifically 'integrated with the launcher'. And with a little sniffing around, you too can read the rules for which plugins get approval for said integration, and what functionality is excluded.

I'm even about 95% sure I know exactly which tool is being alluded to and what it actually does versus how it's being portrayed. If so, it is probably being mistaken for its substantially more illegal variants, which still aren't nearly as sophisticated as a proper rotation bot. Nobody making stuff at the level of full combat automation is giving it out for free, unless something new has hit the market in the last couple months and managed to slip entirely under my radar. Stranger things have happened, but given the historical accuracy of posts around here, I'm not holding my breath for a surprise.

But you will never have a World First race be publicly acknowledged by the developers again. The game will look and feel less and less like FFXIV when all of your friends start asking you where your plugins are. You will realize that less and less people play the game because it's been trivialized to obsolescence and people would rather ERP instead. You can stick around in FFXIV, but you will be disappointed. Most likely, you will move away from FFXIV and find a different game. You will say this is a good thing and proves that FFXIV is perfectly fine, but you will struggle to find your same friends in those new games. Bad decisions with FFXIV will hurt people the same way that WoW's fall did. Many people are still upset about what happened to their previous game, so why should we let that happen here? It didn't have to be this way.

Fine speech, Nostradamus, but how do you think slapping EAC on it is going to solve any of this? You've got a handful of social and design problems there. You can't fix those with engineering - better people have tried and failed.

[Mosha]

It's not correct. I'm perfectly aware of what is available, publicly and otherwise. I am also aware of what is specifically 'integrated with the launcher'. And with a little sniffing around, you too can read the rules for which plugins get approval for said integration, and what functionality is excluded.

I'm even about 95% sure I know exactly which tool is being alluded to and what it actually does versus how it's being portrayed. If so, it is probably being mistaken for its substantially more illegal variants, which still aren't nearly as sophisticated as a proper rotation bot. Nobody making stuff at the level of full combat automation is giving it out for free, unless something new has hit the market in the last couple months and managed to slip entirely under my radar. Stranger things have happened, but given the historical accuracy of posts around here, I'm not holding my breath for a surprise.

ah I just read up a bit more up the thread and it's about autorotation then yeah you are correct....woops my bad.