FFXIV's Systems Ain't That Deep, but They Could Have Been.

[Shurrikhan]

For me, personally, customization was that thing you go to icy-veins to let them tell you what the current Balance discord figured out within the current parameters of the game.

While the case for many (if less so for WoW than, say, less contextual choices like gearing), it's hard to blame that entirely on the system itself. Most going to Icy-veins, especially if/when doing less standard content (shorter fights or high-key Fortified with necessary focus damage, most forms of PvP, etc.) were leaving performance and/or fun (and usually both) on the table.

Which is... fine(?) but certainly makes complaints about such as such meta build being the only real option pretty laughable (given that it'd literally be inferior for what they were doing, and the difference wasn't that great even in the content the meta builds were intended for).

What I really despised about WoW was that special gear with neat stats and procs became useless in the next expansion.

I get that, but honestly have never had a problem with each expansion putting a novel twist on borrowed powers. Though you might lose a particular favorite temporary addition, at least there was always something new, usually of comparable quality.

If anything, I simply disliked when the layers of piecemeal customization became so disparate and/or unintuitive as to hurt accessibility more than they actually helped any sense of progression or customization.

[kayll]

While the case for many (if less so for WoW than, say, less contextual choices like gearing), it's hard to blame that entirely on the system itself. Most going to Icy-veins, especially if/when doing less standard content (shorter fights or high-key Fortified with necessary focus damage, most forms of PvP, etc.) were leaving damage on the table.

Which is fine but makes complaints about such as such meta build being the only real option pretty laughable (given that it'd literally be inferior for what they were doing, and the difference wasn't that great even in the content the meta builds were intended for).


I get that, but honestly have never had a problem with each expansion putting a novel twist on borrowed powers. Though you might lose a particular favorite temporary addition, at least there was always something new, usually of comparable quality.

If anything, I simply disliked when the layers of piecemeal customization became so disparate and/or unintuitive as to hurt accessibility more than they actually helped any sense of progression or customization.

People in WoW complain about its borrowed power systems generally are looking at the short term, but its a good way of test running things that become baked into the classes if they are enjoyable to use, I can go look at my spec in WoW and see instances of "borrowed power" from that past 3 expansions that I still have because they were just put into the talent trees.

Imagine instead of Lost Actions in Bozja being generic abilities and instead more class based on experimental skills that if players liked could be added to the classes themselves, literally just go wild with the ideas for abilities and see what is enjoyable.
Maybe they'll do something more unique like that in the new exploration zone instead of more generic all-class ones.

[Shurrikhan]

People in WoW complain about its borrowed power systems generally are looking at the short term, but its a good way of test running things that become baked into the classes if they are enjoyable to use, I can go look at my spec in WoW and see instances of "borrowed power" from that past 3 expansions that I still have because they were just put into the talent trees.

Imagine instead of Lost Actions in Bozja being generic abilities and instead more class based on experimental skills that if players liked could be added to the classes themselves, literally just go wild with the ideas for abilities and see what is enjoyable.
Maybe they'll do something more unique like that in the new exploration zone instead of more generic all-class ones.

That is one of the great things about peripherial customization systems -- they're great test sites.

...The only obvious downside is if/when the game decides never to mainstream what they've found players almost all really like... just to ensure there's something attractive exclusive to that customization system (roughly equivalent to tossing out the baby to keep the bathwater clean).

[Cynric]

Except, well, they have "come up with something". The fact that you, personally, do not like what they decided on may be the issue - for you, personally.

For me, personally, customization was that thing you go to icy-veins to let them tell you what the current Balance discord figured out within the current parameters of the game.

What I really despised about WoW was that special gear with neat stats and procs became useless in the next expansion. And don't get me started about Legendary Weapons and the grind to feed them.

I personally hope we never get anything like those borrowed power systems from WoW. That was the main thing I disliked in WoW and made me not get too attached to anything for fear they'd just take it away. Some stuff eventually got rolled into the actions but generally it's a terrible system imo.