7.0 Healer Wishlist

[IceBlueNinja]

I felt like SCH with another instant GCD (Phlegma or Miasma 2) and pet heals being off the GCD (like SB) would’ve been enough to solve some of shadowbringers problems.



How does it fit SCH but not SGE? SCH and SGE heal so similarly. Are you okay with SE using the same blanket solution for every healer?

Cause everything sage does is pretty much instant and on the go with no punishment with only needing to cast normal prog(which you never almost use unless a lvl 20 or below dungeon or standard dosis. Why cant sage have some sort of advantage? Yall hate its much weaker shields already so it having a 2.5 second cast only is going to be hated more. It fits scholar because scholar shields= you need to stand to cast alco/succor unless swift cast but with the advantage of the most precious big shields ty to recite spread alco. I did say whm and sch not just scholar can we not be ignorant as if I said only sch geez?

Its like asking why should blm(whos the most powerful magical dps have a longer cast time(which I wish jolt is 1.5 cast too) than a rdm whos dps is far below in damage but its dual cast makes it does another instant spells after(god another job I wish they give some love to poor rdm but ofc this is not the forum to discuss about em). What am saying is weaker jobs with weaker dps or utility deserve to be more mobile than the stronger ones.

Every time someone wants a change to sage all I see is these ideas making it weaker and more hated than it is. I do not want it to be another Ast who's fun is taken away with crummy cards cause all these entitled people is the reason why ast is always a mess. Stormblood ast(the best ast gone) look at the garbage of it now, yes its healing kit is still great but the fun and aspects of card playing being all about rng all taken away and so braindead.

[Supersnow845]

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The problem is that SGE is absolutely dripping in HPS that is both unbalancing the game and also removing the other classes niches, I’m personally fine with SGE having particular niches, it’s shielding on the go is great and I’m totally fine if it does a little more damage (I’d love them to try to break the dominance of buff healers in higher end comps, even if that makes SGE’s nuke potency cracked in casual content)

Think about it, if you ask someone what is the advantage of the fairy the one that most often comes to people’s mind is totem healing, it’s why whispering dawn has such a short range, if you asked someone what a good niche of WHM was in edens promise you’d likely get WHM’s heals can hit everyone during umbra tiles phase while SCH and AST couldn’t unless they relied on SCH’s totem or AST’s “buff limitless distance expiration heals” (like horoscope), then along comes SGE, all its heals come from itself, but it’s compensated with more mobility, a fair trade right, no because literally every single heal SGE has hits the next instance over. Physis is 30 yalms, pnuema is 25, kerechole is 25, holos is 30 it’s just absurd. SGE has zero downsides to its healing and absolutely no restrictions on the disgusting amount of HPS it can dump out (SGE is first by a pretty wide margin in HPS)

SGE needs a barrier on its HPS, limited weave windows is one particular option, nobody says it shouldn’t be compensated in another way for this (for example I’ve always said you should be able to use eukrasia on pneuma to give SGE a 20% mitigation that would put it far ahead of SCH on true mitigation at the expense of its weaker shields), I also believe SGE should get a more complex DPS rotation and be compensated for that with more damage

We don’t hate SGE it just needs limits on its HPS, it has almost twice the HPS of ShB AST who everyone at the time agreed was so disgustingly cracked that the game would never recover

[ForsakenRoe]

Why cant sage have some sort of advantage? Yall hate its much weaker shields already so it having a 2.5 second cast only is going to be hated more.

I know you're very 'in SGE's corner' but it's shields are exactly as strong as SCH's, with only one exception: the comparison between Deploy-Adlo and Zoe-E.Prog. Eukrasian Diagnosis shield is 180% of 300p (540p). Adlo is 180% of 300p as well. They both have the same 'if you crit, you get two copies of the shield effect instead of one' with Catalyze and Differential Diagnosis. Succor is 160% of 200p (320p). Eukrasian Prognosis is 320% of 100p (also 320p). The upfront healing of E.Prog is lower (because of the existence of regular Prognosis at 300p healing), but the shielding works out to be identical. Panhaima is 200p x5, Consolation is 200p x2 (but you can spread them out a bit further by delaying the second use further I guess?). Holos has a 300p shield attached, SCH has no tool that is analogous. If anything, it's SGE that has the stronger shields, and not because they're 'stronger', but because it just has 'more' of them to choose from.

A 2.5s cast time on SGE would work fine IMO. Might even make Toxikon and it's instantcast nature have some more interesting gameplay attached

[Aravell]

Here's my wish this morning: Give healers back their longer cast times.

Cast for 1.5s, move for 1s, cast for 1.5s, move for 1s..., it feels so silly and absurd.

My personal wish would be a diversification of cast times.

WHM 2.5s cast (afflatus skills are your movement tool)
SCH 2.5s cast, can slow walk (Ruin II still necessary for further movements and for double weaving)
AST 1.5s cast (the healer with the greatest need for weave space)
SGE 2.5s cast but changes to instant cast when in melee range (makes some use of their gap closer)

[IceBlueNinja]

My personal wish would be a diversification of cast times.

WHM 2.5s cast (afflatus skills are your movement tool)
SCH 2.5s cast, can slow walk (Ruin II still necessary for further movements and for double weaving)
AST 1.5s cast (the healer with the greatest need for weave space)
SGE 2.5s cast but changes to instant cast when in melee range (makes some use of their gap closer)

I am sorry no I do not want no 2.5 cast on sage, that fits more of whm and sch because of how they function.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

My personal wish would be a diversification of cast times[...]

I personally opt for a 2.00s as a compromise to allow people slightly better mobility than ShB times, but I also don't want to hand out the weave slots like candies. If it were up to me, I would give them:

WHM 2.00s cast (Instant Lily Spells, Water 1.50s, GCD Assize, Situational Banish 1.00s --- full post here)
SCH 2.00s cast (dps gain Instant Biolysis at 30s, dps neutral/situational gain instant Bio IV at 12s, Miasma III 1.50s at 21s, dps gain Instant Kaustra every 20 to 40 seconds, and dps neutral-mana exhaustive Ruin II --- hoping to finish writing this revamp)
AST 1.50s cast same as yours.

Idk about SGE I never take account of their existence just because how similar they are to SCH. But in a completely unrelated note, I would 100% kill for a couple of small, nitpicky, random revamp of SGE such as:

1. Dyskrasia being changed into Frontal Cone at 10y range.
2. Holos loses its cure potency and straight up shielding 400p worth of potency. Or alternatively loses the Holosakos then gives the mitigative portion a 'reverse old embolden tiers' where the mitigation starts at 10%, gains additional 3% every 4s reaching 25% at max.
3. Have Pneuma become a 7.5s channeling GCD: gains 1 stack per second. Each stack pulses 100p shield that lasts 4s & consumes 400 MP. At 5th stack becomes a 40y line cleave that deals 1,000 potency of damage (exact number is arbitrary but I'd like them to be either a gain or situation gain) with fall off & grants party 15% mit for 12s. Failing to stand still causes the SGE to lose the 40y cleave and the cleave.

[Supersnow845]

I’m actually not opposed to the shield regen split because honestly does anyone expect we are ever going to another healer (remaking AST again doesn’t count)

They just need to lean into it more heavily than “shields get everything regens get just enough to make them barely functional”

[Supersnow845]

I feel like SGE more than SCH needs the restrictive cast times because SGE’s healing just has literally zero downsides, SCH already has to deal with a lot of extra presses to achieve a similar result (seraph looking at you) so would probably need about the amount of weaves current WHM gets (only from lilys and dia not from glare) to make it function better but SGE really needs something to slow down its disgusting HPS

That or remove pet heals from our GCD

[IceBlueNinja]

I feel like SGE more than SCH needs the restrictive cast times because SGE’s healing just has literally zero downsides, SCH already has to deal with a lot of extra presses to achieve a similar result (seraph looking at you) so would probably need about the amount of weaves current WHM gets (only from lilys and dia not from glare) to make it function better but SGE really needs something to slow down its disgusting HPS

That or remove pet heals from our GCD

As stated to bole yes it needs some sort of advantage for its lack of utility and weaker shields by having no punishment. Just like whm is to be a easy job to relax for casuals and ast is to be hard and tactical, sage should be simple and fun for someone interested in shield healing but do not want to do all the big brain and planning out sch must be doing. Are we not trying to make them feel some what different as you asked me many times?