Thread: 7.0 Healer Wishlist

Originally Posted by Carighan

Astrologian returns to wildly different card effects, but as a twist to keep it balanced, this is more done for style than substance reasons. Effectively, existing abilities get turned into cards you draw and play, with the overall system being akin to how the Summoner job chooses the next primal, allowing us both full control what happens when while still forcing us to engage with each card eventually:

* You have 6 Draw-type abilities. `Draw Balance`, `Draw Bole`, etc. Each of these draws the corresponding card. A single `Play` ability (15s CD) uses them, only one effect can be active at a time, the old one gets overwritten if a new one is played. There is no Undraw or Redraw.
* On Play, a card is active for 20 seconds, giving its effect to you and everyone around you.
* Afterwards, the card is undrawable, it has been "used up".
* A new ability, `Reshuffle Deck`, refreshes all draw abilities on a 115s (120s + some allowance for drift compensation since we might need to heal at a bad moment) CD.
* These 6 cards **replace** existing abilities, so our hotbar isn't overloaded with new stuff.
* One increases damage (Divination)
* One gives damage reduction (Collective Unconsciousness)
* One gives regen (Celestial Opposition)
* One accelerates time (a new effect, group haste).
* One causes all healing to also give shields (Neutral Sect, the loss of +healing on us is offset because it affects all heals by the entire group)
* One is an instant AoE heal and then during the 20s duration can be played *again* to get an even bigger AoE instant heal + AoE damage. (Horoscope and Earthly Star).

This has the added benefit that because it replaces the existing system, a fair few abilities can be tossed out and duplication can be removed. This unclutters the very cluttered Astro hotbar and creates a setup where each effect is more unique (as in, there's not 3 group regens etc), so each of them can be very strong and as a result feel very meaningful when used. It's also somewhat drift-resistant as the reshuffle timer is intentionally 5s shorter than the usual 120s, plus cards can be tossed away via undraw to end their effect early to advance to another card.

The manaregen on card draw can be kept and rebalanced to emulate the manaregen currently given from the draw + from Astrodyne. The damage boost from Astrodyne can either be added as a stronger-on-yourself to the damage card (and likewise for the haste effect and the haste card!) or be folded directly into our healing and damage numbers.

Either way, this would have two huge benefits:

* Lots of decluttering the hotbar and removing duplication/triplication of effects which just waters them down.
* Brings back highly unique card effects including really snazzy visuals (the ability visuals can be kept for the card plays!).

I agree, it is wild. No thanks, I wouldn't want most of those abilities subject to RNG.

Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I agree, it is wild. No thanks, I wouldn't want most of those abilities subject to RNG.

I assume that, if eg Balance replaces Divination on the bars, then there wouldn't be any RNG to it. But then we would lose the whole 'see what fate has for you and make the most of it' thing AST has with it's current cards, which is even more silly to me

Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

I agree, it is wild. No thanks, I wouldn't want most of those abilities subject to RNG.

Yeah like I said, there would be no RNG.

You have 6 draw-abilities. You decide which card to draw. But you can only draw each of the 6 cards once, and the ability that makes all 6 drawable again has a 115s CD. The idea is to replace the RNG but instead add a thing where you have to think about in which order to deplete your deck. We could of course sitll have Lord/Lady as Minor Arcana to add some RNG element to the overall system.

Chemist. I want chemist as a healer already.

I'd be happy if they reverted some of the 6.0 healer adjustments and increased the cast times of Broil, Glare, and Dosis to 2-2.5s and reduced the duration of Aero/Aero II (and even Dia).

I don't even want any new abilities, just some reworks to current abilities (such as Holy, Art of War, and Gravity so they're useful for single target), some low level AoE options for CNJ/SCH (such as an AoE water spell for CNJ and Outburst), and some ability consolidation or pruning (e.g. Cure, Medica, Ruin II, Fey Blessing, and Undraw).

I would like to be able to hit something besides my one AoE dps button without fear of being yelled at by my party.

"Did you just cast Medica 2? DO YOU WANT THIS DUNGEON TO TAKE ALL DAY?!"

Originally Posted by Lady_Silvermoon

I would like to be able to hit something besides my one AoE dps button without fear of being yelled at by my party.

"Did you just cast Medica 2? DO YOU WANT THIS DUNGEON TO TAKE ALL DAY?!"

If they're that mean to you just spam Holy until you burn their retinas out and they beg for mercy.

I pretty much want every healing skill to function the way dissipation does, near every healing skill should have significant drawbacks that punish you if you use them incorrectly but they should have niches that you have to consider

Examples
-(unpopular opinion here) clip mage was better than the HPS monster we currently have and I much prefer lily’s return to being an absolute DPS loss but a gain over clipping glare/not casting anything at all/refreshing Dia early, clip mages big problem was the fact that assize has to be used on CD and using a heal to weave a heal could be awkward, but I honestly think that’s more a problem with assize being too rigid

-addersgall heals should drain mana, not refund it, right now SGE is actively rewarded for the “see cast bar press kerechole” playstyle rather than encouraged to be more conservative with their tools until they need them

-pneuma should take 5-7 seconds to cast so you really need to know you are safe to use it, a regen healer doesn’t need a DPS neutral 900 potency AOE heal with an infinite range that takes 2 seconds to cast

-AST’s skills should be expensive to compensate for their disgusting mana economy, wanna use macrocosmos, sure go ahead, that’ll be 5000 mana, better hope you have a trashtrodyne somewhat soon or you banked cards for this

SCH has a horrid DPS rotation (which hurts even more since it used to be a DPS first healer second) but SCH has the right idea when it comes to healing (well besides seraph should be deleted and replaced with rouse), if you use dissipation you should be confident you can survive without whispering dawn or suffer from it, if you decide to use seraph you should be confident you don’t need fey blessing, if you make those decisions wrong you get punished, either by being forced to use succor or just from dying

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I pretty much want every healing skill to function the way dissipation does, near every healing skill should have significant drawbacks that punish you if you use them incorrectly but they should have niches that you have to consider

Examples
-(unpopular opinion here) clip mage was better than the HPS monster we currently have and I much prefer lily’s return to being an absolute DPS loss but a gain over clipping glare/not casting anything at all/refreshing Dia early, clip mages big problem was the fact that assize has to be used on CD and using a heal to weave a heal could be awkward, but I honestly think that’s more a problem with assize being too rigid

-addersgall heals should drain mana, not refund it, right now SGE is actively rewarded for the “see cast bar press kerechole” playstyle rather than encouraged to be more conservative with their tools until they need them

-pneuma should take 5-7 seconds to cast so you really need to know you are safe to use it, a regen healer doesn’t need a DPS neutral 900 potency AOE heal with an infinite range that takes 2 seconds to cast

-AST’s skills should be expensive to compensate for their disgusting mana economy, wanna use macrocosmos, sure go ahead, that’ll be 5000 mana, better hope you have a trashtrodyne somewhat soon or you banked cards for this

SCH has a horrid DPS rotation (which hurts even more since it used to be a DPS first healer second) but SCH has the right idea when it comes to healing (well besides seraph should be deleted and replaced with rouse), if you use dissipation you should be confident you can survive without whispering dawn or suffer from it, if you decide to use seraph you should be confident you don’t need fey blessing, if you make those decisions wrong you get punished, either by being forced to use succor or just from dying

ShB WHM was way better than EW WHM, lilies being a partial refund was already a good system, people only hated it because AST lost nothing to heal. I think Pneuma could be a channel spell, where instead of a 600 potency heal in one shot, it pulses a 100 potency heal every second for 6 seconds, this also means it's not the absolute best thing to spend Zoe on all of the time. I agree that AST does need some balancing on the healing side, every heal they have is completely free except Neutral Sect which requires you to GCD heal.

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

SCH has a horrid DPS rotation (which hurts even more since it used to be a DPS first healer second) but SCH has the right idea when it comes to healing (well besides seraph should be deleted and replaced with rouse), if you use dissipation you should be confident you can survive without whispering dawn or suffer from it, if you decide to use seraph you should be confident you don’t need fey blessing, if you make those decisions wrong you get punished, either by being forced to use succor or just from dying

Yeah.. Since SCH theme is doing everything at a price, why can't the devs double down on it so that we can go full on DPS and be rewarded for it. It's not that healing is needed all the time. Unless future fights will be intensive in healing requirements, I don't see any wrong with giving us back the Sic command but in SCH's case, the pet will not cast Embrace but a ranged attack to complement our damage dealing.