Please Fix The Leveling Roulette System

[Gemina]

"fish for likes" lol

It's very apt in this case because OP isnt even in it for the bonus. Duty roulette isnt there to give you a random dungeon, it's there to bribe you into filling up parties to whoever queues up for a specific dungeon.

That's a fair take. I believe the OP understands this and is just frustrated with getting the same duties over and over. He might not have the luxury of having three other buddies to queue up with, but in any case it doesn't help when a poster tries to address the issue by echoing erroneous advice that doesn't address his problem. If the OP was trying to get a specific duty by using the Leveling roulette, then that particular advice would apply.

[kayll]

Uses system designed to fill specific dungeons that other people queue for, then gets upset that it puts them in specific dungeons that the other people queued for.

???

[EusisLandale]

Personally, I'm just glad it isn't Sastasha all day every day anymore.

[LilimoLimomo]

However, my FC and I often group up to do roulettes, and we have most certainly have gotten duties well below 10 levels of us. There's no point having a limited leveling option if the game just does this by default.

That's verification enough for me! Sounds like I was mistaken; thanks for the correction, as I can now remove the misinformation from my previous posts!

[Poporito_Popoto]

This is dismissive and misses the point entirely. Stop parroting this crap to fish for likes. If players want to do a specific duty, they will queue for it directly. This player doesn't want a specific duty, he wants a more randomized selection when using the match making feature of the game.

<Sees number of posts and gold medals>

[PyurBlue]

This is something that veteran players are going to just have to swallow. The roulette's purpose is to help traffic players trying to queue up to specific instances.

The roulette system is just as much a valid target for criticism as any other part of the game. That it's designed to fill queues doesn't make it special and doesn't really have anything to do with the issue being brought up. The only kind of change that is going to be problematic is one that prevent roulettes from achieving its dungeon filling purpose. Attempting to bias roulette results in a certain way is not such a change.

The randomness in essence is on what duty a number of players are going for at the time you hit the queue button.

This element will always be there, but it is trivially easy to influence the weights of different outcomes. The most obvious one, and I'm using this for the sake of example here, is a blacklist that totally prevents a selected a dungeons from being accepted as a roulette outcome. If a player had the option to blacklist Sastasha and did, then that player would never see the dungeon in roulettes even if the rest of the data center was queuing for it.

A more realistic option may not involve completely removing duties (although if the pool of roulette participants is large enough and have diverse blacklist options, the problems vanishe) but instead do something like shuffle the order of participants in the queue to help them get into duties they prefer. The roulette system already has some capacity to do this because you already can blacklist dungeons by not unlocking them or by using one of the multiple roulette options to avoid certain content (no Sastasha in Expert roulette for example), so this doesn't even require a rework of roulette outside of new UI.

Either you accept it or find something else to get your tomestones from if it bothers you that much.

That defeats the point of the forum though. Asking for roulette improvements is perfectly valid, as is asking for any improvements at all. I don't understand why people seemingly forget that so often when this topic is brought up.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The roulette system is just as much a valid target for criticism as any other part of the game. That it's designed to fill queues doesn't make it special and doesn't really have anything to do with the issue being brought up. The only kind of change that is going to be problematic is one that prevent roulettes from achieving its dungeon filling purpose. Attempting to bias roulette results in a certain way is not such a change.


This element will always be there, but it is trivially easy to influence the weights of different outcomes. The most obvious one, and I'm using this for the sake of example here, is a blacklist that totally prevents a selected a dungeons from being accepted as a roulette outcome. If a player had the option to blacklist Sastasha and did, then that player would never see the dungeon in roulettes even if the rest of the data center was queuing for it.

A more realistic option may not involve completely removing duties (although if the pool of roulette participants is large enough and have diverse blacklist options, the problems vanishe) but instead do something like shuffle the order of participants in the queue to help them get into duties they prefer. The roulette system already has some capacity to do this because you already can blacklist dungeons by not unlocking them or by using one of the multiple roulette options to avoid certain content (no Sastasha in Expert roulette for example), so this doesn't even require a rework of roulette outside of new UI.


That defeats the point of the forum though. Asking for roulette improvements is perfectly valid, as is asking for any improvements at all. I don't understand why people seemingly forget that so often when this topic is brought up.

Yeah I dont think "blacklisting" certain dungeons isnt going to help much for players who do need to do those old duties. If anything that's just going to break the system even more. Its why criticizing the roulette is meaningless because we get changes such as the recent ilv alliance roulette change that does hurt newer players more than veteran players.

Its seriously that simple

[VictorSpoils]

OP's argument is valid. The Raid "Roulette" has the same issue, defaulting to P12 most of the time despite the vast variety of options available and no indication that there isn't anyone queueing for them. Not even P9-11 show up as often.

The claim that the roulettes are attempting to fill someone's party has some merit, as you'll occasionally get a fringe raid with a DPS party leader who's also a first timer, but to say that it always does this is a misconception. When it picks P12, there's a good chance it's putting 8 different rouletters in there. And this logic completely falls apart when you remember where the Alliance Raid "Roulette" sends you, while people wait hours trying to do the Stormblood raids.

Saying "MSQ dungeons are bound to pop up" also doesn't make sense when the Leveling roulette...consists only of those. It doesn't explain why only those few dungeons in particular would continuously show up for him and not all of the others. Many of them have minions/music rolls/cards/glamour too.

[PyurBlue]

Yeah I dont think "blacklisting" certain dungeons isnt going to help much for players who do need to do those old duties.

I was using that mainly as an example because it's easy to follow, but as I also said before, blacklisting duties already exists through intentionally skipping quests that unlocks duties and by having more than one roulette. A blacklist would have to be looked at carefully before being added, but it's not really much of a change compared to now anyway.

There are other options like queue list shuffling that I mentioned, so either way if the blacklist concept bothers you there are plenty of alternatives.

If anything that's just going to break the system even more. Its why criticizing the roulette is meaningless because we get changes such as the recent ilv alliance roulette change that does hurt newer players more than veteran players.

Its seriously that simple

That basically boils down to saying that criticism is pointless because SE will botch things. While that is a possibility, and it has sometimes happened, wouldn't the better solution be to improve communication instead of going for complete silence? You'll fail some of the time if you try but you'll never succeed if you don't try.

[Saraide]

OP's argument is valid. The Raid "Roulette" has the same issue, defaulting to P12 most of the time despite the vast variety of options available and no indication that there isn't anyone queueing for them. Not even P9-11 show up as often.

The claim that the roulettes are attempting to fill someone's party has some merit, as you'll occasionally get a fringe raid with a DPS party leader who's also a first timer, but to say that it always does this is a misconception. When it picks P12, there's a good chance it's putting 8 different rouletters in there. And this logic completely falls apart when you remember where the Alliance Raid "Roulette" sends you, while people wait hours trying to do the Stormblood raids.

Saying "MSQ dungeons are bound to pop up" also doesn't make sense when the Leveling roulette...consists only of those. It doesn't explain why only those few dungeons in particular would continuously show up for him and not all of the others. Many of them have minions/music rolls/cards/glamour too.

Arent people directly queueing p12n for the weapon token? I know I did for a while.