Please Fix The Leveling Roulette System

[Gemina]

Yeah. As others have pointed out, leveling roulette isn't a true roulette. There is almost always going to be a least one player who has queued for a specific duty and the roulette will match the other players with them. There will almost always be a player leveling a new job, or making their way through the MSQ. The latter is more likely to use the duty support feature though as it allows for a more immersive experience with the story.

The only way for it to truly be a roulette would require all four players in the queue to be at level cap and utilizing the leveling roulette feature.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This is something that veteran players are going to just have to swallow. The roulette's purpose is to help traffic players trying to queue up to specific instances. The randomness in essence is on what duty a number of players are going for at the time you hit the queue button.

Thats why you have endgame currency tied to it so that it entices players to facilitate that system since everything is super bound to the duty finder in this MMO. Basically, sorry but it is what it is. Either you accept it or find something else to get your tomestones from if it bothers you that much.

[PyurBlue]

This is something that veteran players are going to just have to swallow. The roulette's purpose is to help traffic players trying to queue up to specific instances.

The roulette system is just as much a valid target for criticism as any other part of the game. That it's designed to fill queues doesn't make it special and doesn't really have anything to do with the issue being brought up. The only kind of change that is going to be problematic is one that prevent roulettes from achieving its dungeon filling purpose. Attempting to bias roulette results in a certain way is not such a change.

The randomness in essence is on what duty a number of players are going for at the time you hit the queue button.

This element will always be there, but it is trivially easy to influence the weights of different outcomes. The most obvious one, and I'm using this for the sake of example here, is a blacklist that totally prevents a selected a dungeons from being accepted as a roulette outcome. If a player had the option to blacklist Sastasha and did, then that player would never see the dungeon in roulettes even if the rest of the data center was queuing for it.

A more realistic option may not involve completely removing duties (although if the pool of roulette participants is large enough and have diverse blacklist options, the problems vanishe) but instead do something like shuffle the order of participants in the queue to help them get into duties they prefer. The roulette system already has some capacity to do this because you already can blacklist dungeons by not unlocking them or by using one of the multiple roulette options to avoid certain content (no Sastasha in Expert roulette for example), so this doesn't even require a rework of roulette outside of new UI.

Either you accept it or find something else to get your tomestones from if it bothers you that much.

That defeats the point of the forum though. Asking for roulette improvements is perfectly valid, as is asking for any improvements at all. I don't understand why people seemingly forget that so often when this topic is brought up.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The roulette system is just as much a valid target for criticism as any other part of the game. That it's designed to fill queues doesn't make it special and doesn't really have anything to do with the issue being brought up. The only kind of change that is going to be problematic is one that prevent roulettes from achieving its dungeon filling purpose. Attempting to bias roulette results in a certain way is not such a change.


This element will always be there, but it is trivially easy to influence the weights of different outcomes. The most obvious one, and I'm using this for the sake of example here, is a blacklist that totally prevents a selected a dungeons from being accepted as a roulette outcome. If a player had the option to blacklist Sastasha and did, then that player would never see the dungeon in roulettes even if the rest of the data center was queuing for it.

A more realistic option may not involve completely removing duties (although if the pool of roulette participants is large enough and have diverse blacklist options, the problems vanishe) but instead do something like shuffle the order of participants in the queue to help them get into duties they prefer. The roulette system already has some capacity to do this because you already can blacklist dungeons by not unlocking them or by using one of the multiple roulette options to avoid certain content (no Sastasha in Expert roulette for example), so this doesn't even require a rework of roulette outside of new UI.


That defeats the point of the forum though. Asking for roulette improvements is perfectly valid, as is asking for any improvements at all. I don't understand why people seemingly forget that so often when this topic is brought up.

Yeah I dont think "blacklisting" certain dungeons isnt going to help much for players who do need to do those old duties. If anything that's just going to break the system even more. Its why criticizing the roulette is meaningless because we get changes such as the recent ilv alliance roulette change that does hurt newer players more than veteran players.

Its seriously that simple

[PyurBlue]

Yeah I dont think "blacklisting" certain dungeons isnt going to help much for players who do need to do those old duties.

I was using that mainly as an example because it's easy to follow, but as I also said before, blacklisting duties already exists through intentionally skipping quests that unlocks duties and by having more than one roulette. A blacklist would have to be looked at carefully before being added, but it's not really much of a change compared to now anyway.

There are other options like queue list shuffling that I mentioned, so either way if the blacklist concept bothers you there are plenty of alternatives.

If anything that's just going to break the system even more. Its why criticizing the roulette is meaningless because we get changes such as the recent ilv alliance roulette change that does hurt newer players more than veteran players.

Its seriously that simple

That basically boils down to saying that criticism is pointless because SE will botch things. While that is a possibility, and it has sometimes happened, wouldn't the better solution be to improve communication instead of going for complete silence? You'll fail some of the time if you try but you'll never succeed if you don't try.

[kayll]

Uses system designed to fill specific dungeons that other people queue for, then gets upset that it puts them in specific dungeons that the other people queued for.

???

[EusisLandale]

Personally, I'm just glad it isn't Sastasha all day every day anymore.

[VictorSpoils]

OP's argument is valid. The Raid "Roulette" has the same issue, defaulting to P12 most of the time despite the vast variety of options available and no indication that there isn't anyone queueing for them. Not even P9-11 show up as often.

The claim that the roulettes are attempting to fill someone's party has some merit, as you'll occasionally get a fringe raid with a DPS party leader who's also a first timer, but to say that it always does this is a misconception. When it picks P12, there's a good chance it's putting 8 different rouletters in there. And this logic completely falls apart when you remember where the Alliance Raid "Roulette" sends you, while people wait hours trying to do the Stormblood raids.

Saying "MSQ dungeons are bound to pop up" also doesn't make sense when the Leveling roulette...consists only of those. It doesn't explain why only those few dungeons in particular would continuously show up for him and not all of the others. Many of them have minions/music rolls/cards/glamour too.

[Saraide]

OP's argument is valid. The Raid "Roulette" has the same issue, defaulting to P12 most of the time despite the vast variety of options available and no indication that there isn't anyone queueing for them. Not even P9-11 show up as often.

The claim that the roulettes are attempting to fill someone's party has some merit, as you'll occasionally get a fringe raid with a DPS party leader who's also a first timer, but to say that it always does this is a misconception. When it picks P12, there's a good chance it's putting 8 different rouletters in there. And this logic completely falls apart when you remember where the Alliance Raid "Roulette" sends you, while people wait hours trying to do the Stormblood raids.

Saying "MSQ dungeons are bound to pop up" also doesn't make sense when the Leveling roulette...consists only of those. It doesn't explain why only those few dungeons in particular would continuously show up for him and not all of the others. Many of them have minions/music rolls/cards/glamour too.

Arent people directly queueing p12n for the weapon token? I know I did for a while.

[TheRealQuah]

Arent people directly queueing p12n for the weapon token? I know I did for a while.

Yes, the reason you see P12 so much is because people are just queueing that one only to get the weapon material, you don't need the others for anything anymore.