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    Matthia Gryffine
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    Please Fix The Leveling Roulette System

    For the last 6 months, whenever I do my Leveling roulette, I only get the exact same 4 dungeons without exception:

    Bardam's Mettle
    Mt. Gulg
    Ktisis Hypeboreia
    The Aitiascope

    This is supposed to be a "Roulette", which means every main story dungeon in all 5 expansions are supposed to be a part of the Roulette. But getting these same dungeons every single time with no variety has resulted in me getting bored of the game because nothing interesting comes up. I feel like my loyalty to this game for the past 10 years is being wasted and that frustrates me.

    Please fix the Leveling roulette because to quote Christian Bale in Batman Begins "Your system is broken."
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    When there are those who say it cannot be done, we rise to the occasion and defy all expectations!

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    Jeeqbit's Avatar
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Most of the time, it matches you with people who queue directly for these duties. Usually this is people doing the duty for the first time, but occasionally it is because someone is farming glam or something like that.

    There is a lot less reason to be doing it for the first time because you can do it with NPCs now though.

    So, it is ultimately players that are causing it.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Ellen Sjasaris
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    It’s a roulette in the sense that you don’t know what you’re going to get, but not that you are guaranteed an even distribution of duties. As Jeeqbit said, the roulettes offer you rewards in exchange for you offering to fill others’ parties through the queuing system.

    Off the top of my head, those last two dungeons have untradeable, rare minion drops so it makes sense that people would be trying to direct-queue those more. Bardam’s has unique (undyeable) glam, not sure on Mt. Gulg.
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    Last edited by EorzeaWanderer; 12-03-2023 at 02:04 AM.

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    Player Ravenblade1979's Avatar
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    Anastasia Minou-rose
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    So a roulette literally means you can get any of the dungeons. I myself have "join in progress" checked off to give me a chance at multiple.

    You also listed two separate roulettes there. The 70/80 and then the 90.

    Neither of those really have alot in them.

    Leveling has them all I think except the two expert but even then...it happens.

    Was like back before change when we all did msq roulette and complained cause we got castrum was more then praetorium but stuck with it and got days straight of the opposite.
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    Player DrWho2010's Avatar
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    Maximum Powerful
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    Bardam's and Mt. Gulg are both heavy MSQ relevant dungeons so it makes sense they come up often. As for the other two they still have a minion that only drops from them and they can't be bought on the marketboard. so you may be getting more minion hunters running those for it.
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    Lilimo Limomo
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    Others have already clarified that the roulette is working as expected; in short, the goal of the roulette isn't to give you a random experience, it's the game saying they'll give you rewards in exchange for doing the content another player wants to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Novaura View Post
    But getting these same dungeons every single time with no variety has resulted in me getting bored of the game because nothing interesting comes up.
    With respect, if you want variety, remember that you have the ability to intentionally queue for a handful of dungeons that you haven't done in awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 View Post
    I myself have "join in progress" checked off to give me a chance at multiple.
    I don't see how that changes anything.

    You also listed two separate roulettes there. The 70/80 and then the 90.
    No, all the listed duties are part of the leveling roulette. Level 70/80 roulette and level 90 roulette only give level 50/60/70/80 and level 90 duties respectively. None of the listed duties are 70, 80 or 90.

    Leveling has them all I think except the two expert
    Not true.
    Leveling has 1-49, 51-59, 61-69, 71-79, 81-89 dungeons.
    Level 50/60/70/80 has... level 50/60/70/80 dungeons.
    Level 90 has... level 90 dungeons, minus the latest ones in Expert roulette.
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    yet another person who thinks roulette isn't a bonus. ugh.

    the point of roulette isn't to only benefit you -- it's to benefit those who are also queued. what you get (exp, gil, etc) are meant to offset the fact that you're not always going to be placed into the ideal situation.
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    Saphir Amariyo
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    The roulettes can absolutely be improved. There is nothing about having more control over the outcome of the roulette that goes against its purpose (and having choice is just an extension of having multiple roulettes - if choice didn't work then mentor roulette would be the only one), and yes that includes the purpose of helping fill queues. If better roulette outcomes increase participation, and people with different preferences queue you could very easily end up with a net increase in roulette population while also preventing repetition, monotony, and general dissatisfaction.

    A hypothetical roulette bias system or duty blacklist would need to be evaluated carefully of course. There is a chance that one particular duty that is universally disliked it avoided, which would make queueing for it difficult, but even in that case that's not completely a bad thing. That's a big flag that something might be wrong with that duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denji View Post
    yet another person who thinks roulette isn't a bonus. ugh.

    the point of roulette isn't to only benefit you -- it's to benefit those who are also queued. what you get (exp, gil, etc) are meant to offset the fact that you're not always going to be placed into the ideal situation.
    I'm not doing this for any bonus. I want to be able to play more dungeons than just the same 4 over and over. There are 32 dungeons that are available to play in Leveling roulette. Therefore I should have a 1 in 32 chance of playing any of these dungeons, not a 1 in 4 chance of playing only a specific set of dungeons. The point is to want to have fun, take on the various bosses and challenges associated with the dungeons, enjoy some amazing dungeon and boss music and if it is indeed a player's first time doing the dungeon, to give them the best experience possible.
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    When there are those who say it cannot be done, we rise to the occasion and defy all expectations!

    True to the Blue, I am an Azure Dragoon.

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