And the slow death of the RPG based battlesystem

[KenZentra]

Normal raids and normal trials are still a fun challenge.

That one guy talking about old content being trivial when overgeared, I mean?? yes?

None of what you're saying is valid in my experience. I get that you want it to be different than it is, but the criticism doesn't hold up the way you think it does. When your ideas are challenged too, you just do some weird deflection and throw out buzz words.

Maybe it's because I refuse to use third party tools...
It's much better this way, the solution is to just uninstall all the third party tools(cheats) that most people complaining about the direction of rotations have installed.

I don't see a problem at all...
I think tons of players in this game just use third party addons that take away so much from the experience that they have become unable to actually assess how the game feels anymore. I'm not saying you do, but too many people abuse cheats in this game.

Yeah I can't relate to all of this personally.

...you're pushing a false narrative.

The narrative that jobs are becoming the same lol.... I'm not even sure what people like you want. ...they removed a lot of annoying busywork that encouraged installing third party addons so the players could focus less on the boss and more on their annoying rotations.

Paladin should have an attack sequence as satisfying as fell cleave because that is satisfying.

The devs absolutely are not trying to remove fail from the game. If you find it too easy with third party tools installed, uninstall them. It really messes with the entire experience for people to be abusing addons and this is the real reason for the change in game direction. I think square enix is just tired of people cheating.

Ladies, Gentleman, and folks of all walks of life. I present to you, The Walking Contradiction!

To wrap it all up,

To be frank it's just exhausting to even listen to anything you have to say

You literally do not engage with anything anyone says, and just spew out about 3rd party tools. Cause apparently, if it werent for them everything would be literally perfect it seems!

I truly hope everyone sees this and stops engaging with you, since you obviously don't want to have a real conversation at all.

[HikariKurosawa]

Ladies, Gentleman, and folks of all walks of life. I present to you, The Walking Contradiction!

To wrap it all up,


You literally do not engage with anything anyone says, and just spew out about 3rd party tools. Cause apparently, if it werent for them everything would be literally perfect it seems!

I truly hope everyone sees this and stops engaging with you, since you obviously don't want to have a real conversation at all.

I mean, you're right. The game is better than ever and it's only people who use third party addons that fail to see that. What is there to engage with in this thread anyway? People acting like tanks dont have to tank, people acting like healers dont have to heal. People acting like all jobs are the same. It's just delusion. All jobs are the same if you use third party addons that consolidate your entire rotations into a single button that auto-sequences though. I can understand how people would get bored of mashing one button over and over while they wait for the two minute cooldown to come up.

[ZiraZ]

Ok at this rate the 3rd party tool thing is purely projection and or insecurity.

[Aravell]

So what exactly do 3rd party tools have to do with the topic? I don't get why it's being brought up? I don't see how 3rd party tools have anything to do with the game systems being slowly cut away with nothing to replace the portions that are lost.

[Rithy255]

So what exactly do 3rd party tools have to do with the topic? I don't get why it's being brought up? I don't see how 3rd party tools have anything to do with the game systems being slowly cut away with nothing to replace the portions that are lost.

I really don't know at this point, I've even said the people who are asking for more in terms of engaging gameplay and meaningful differences are generally not the ones who use said tools to make the game play easier... It's very contradictory in the first place, why would anyone be complaining that the game is too easy, similar for jobs ect. if they had a tool doing it for them that seems counter productive.

honestly I think this person is trolling though and wouldn't surprise me.

[Shurrikhan]

Defending stuff like this makes your entire perspective invalid and out of touch.

Clarifying details for someone whose conclusions imply ignorance about the subject matter from which they are making some, frankly, pretty wild talking points is not a defense of that subject matter. It's just... the actuality of it.

That, and a clarification why, if anything, the present kits would only increase the portion of players using them, rather than having at all ameliorated the issue.

[HikariKurosawa]

Clarifying details for someone whose conclusions imply ignorance about the subject matter from which they are making some, frankly, pretty wild talking points is not a defense of that subject matter. It's just... the actuality of it.

That, and a clarification why, if anything, the present kits would only increase the portion of players using them, rather than having at all ameliorated the issue.

So you want less complicated rotations? Why are you using such weird words lol. Just say it improved the issue. The problem is you people make contradictory points. You ask for more complex rotations, yet imply that endwalker rotations encourage using third party addons.

I think most of the people in this thread are just so far out of touch with the state of the game that they dont know where to stand and want game design to pander to those using third party addons. It's really hard to grasp your points as someone who doesn't use them.

[CidHeiral]

[Valence]

Heretical position, I suppose, but why are we acting like “trinity-based roles” or “trinity-based gameplay” is necessarily good, let alone ideal? RPG mechanics in the sense of variety and immersion, sure, but the homogenizing of class/job/specs/professions to suit/leverage three rigid roles? That hardly seems a net improvement past a pretty low threshold, let alone an ideal to aim for...

As long as I get to have player agency, team based choices and actions, inter role interoperability and an actual battle system that's more than just "do the boss mechanics", I'm already more or less happy. For example I know that pvp is by essence fundamentally different than pve, but if there is a thing that constantly amazes me with the new pvp is that it does everything that pve has stopped doing ages ago when it comes to aggro management, crowd control, etc, with toolkits barely half the size with abilities that all play on different player choices and agencies that aren't just about damage, and when it's about damage, there is still many different ways to apply that damage. I'll admit that pvp has other issues in that all of this is probably gonna fly over the head of most neophytes to the mode, but it's there and it makes it infinitely more tactical than pve (which on top of it is 100% scripted, no rng). And they sell pvp as a role agnostic model, which is somewhat true even though some loose roles still exist (mostly melee vs ranged), but in any case, not a trinity based model that works well.

Sorry for the tangent.

[Raikai]

Healing left? I'd say it's partially on its way lol.

The only time healing really matters to an engaging point is when people are messing up mechs, really. And it's the encounter design's fault - unavoidable damage comes in set patterns and the all it requires is you to write down in a piece of paper your oGCD's order allocation. XIV is the only game with a healer model that doesn't require the healer (outside of the 2 aforementioned scenarios) to go off script and think creatively with their kits on the go.

It gets to such a point that I can't really see anything on the healing front added for Dawntrail that is not redundant. Even utility like Expedient can only go so far when there's little to explore outside of damage reductions and speed movement... Maybe some kind of leech? What's even there to create new utility actions around?