WoW is adding multiplayer Trusts....

[Merrigan]

The current system is good partly because it doesn't really replace the presence of players. Too few dps. As a result, a lot of people use the NPCs for a first run, then return to the normal queues. That seems to me to be the perfect balance: allowing a quiet first run, where you can admire the scenery and get into the mood, but without sacrificing community life.

This balance would be broken with the proposed system, because you'd end up with bastard groups that manage to overcome the problems posed by the NPCs. While 3 NPCs can ruin a run because of their lack of dps, it's quite possible not to see as much difference with just one NPC as a healer - thus preventing players from naturally returning to the queues once the first run is over, since they'll be calling on a small circle of friends without having to look for a random player to fill the gaps.

FF has always been excellent at one thing, despite all the faults this forum still finds with it: keeping old content alive and active. It's rare, very rare, to have a game where a raid over seven years old can be launched in 15 minutes. The system proposed by the OP could have a very strong impact on this aspect, and not a positive one. And on this point in particular (since the previous pages quote WOW), WOW remains far behind FF. Which also explains why the proposed system might work on WOW, but not on FF XIV.

To add one last thing: I can well understand why people don't always want to push the community aspect. FFXIV lends itself very well to the single-player experience, so the game only has itself to blame if it attracts that type of player. That said, I find it a tad odd to want to avoid the community to the point where you only want to play between selected people. And at the risk of not just making friends: wouldn't co-op games be better in this case? Because as much as you can open doors to facilitate the single-player experience, if you go too far, as with this type of claim, you can completely destroy the 'MMO' aspect.

Just my two cents - I'm not even sure about the last paragraph, it's just my opinion based on many years of playing this type of game. Not to be taken as an indictment of single-player gamers.

[raelgun]

They don't have one of the largest mmo's due to the incompetent perverts at Blizzard right now. All of the people that created the version of WoW people love left long ago. You give them another chance. I wouldn't give them another chance if they were the last dev left on the planet.

Your post makes no sense, FF14 player base are prolific with sexual harassments between players, the amount of stalking and desperation among this playerbase is pretty bad.

You have issues with the devs at blizzard whom have been dealt with already but you are playing a game where the players are harassing each other, hypocrite much?

[Absurdity]

Your post makes no sense, FF14 player base are prolific with sexual harassments between players, the amount of stalking and desperation among this playerbase is pretty bad.

You have issues with the devs at blizzard whom have been dealt with already but you are playing a game where the players are harassing each other, hypocrite much?

Don't bother to waste your breath, Reap00 is probably the clearest example of a "WoW bad, XIV good" zealot you'll ever find.

[raelgun]

The current system is good partly because it doesn't really replace the presence of players. Too few dps. As a result, a lot of people use the NPCs for a first run, then return to the normal queues. That seems to me to be the perfect balance: allowing a quiet first run, where you can admire the scenery and get into the mood, but without sacrificing community life.

This balance would be broken with the proposed system, because you'd end up with bastard groups that manage to overcome the problems posed by the NPCs. While 3 NPCs can ruin a run because of their lack of dps, it's quite possible not to see as much difference with just one NPC as a healer - thus preventing players from naturally returning to the queues once the first run is over, since they'll be calling on a small circle of friends without having to look for a random player to fill the gaps.

FF has always been excellent at one thing, despite all the faults this forum still finds with it: keeping old content alive and active. It's rare, very rare, to have a game where a raid over seven years old can be launched in 15 minutes. The system proposed by the OP could have a very strong impact on this aspect, and not a positive one. And on this point in particular (since the previous pages quote WOW), WOW remains far behind FF. Which also explains why the proposed system might work on WOW, but not on FF XIV.

To add one last thing: I can well understand why people don't always want to push the community aspect. FFXIV lends itself very well to the single-player experience, so the game only has itself to blame if it attracts that type of player. That said, I find it a tad odd to want to avoid the community to the point where you only want to play between selected people. And at the risk of not just making friends: wouldn't co-op games be better in this case? Because as much as you can open doors to facilitate the single-player experience, if you go too far, as with this type of claim, you can completely destroy the 'MMO' aspect.

Just my two cents - I'm not even sure about the last paragraph, it's just my opinion based on many years of playing this type of game. Not to be taken as an indictment of single-player gamers.

I think you are going to have to define what you mean by keeping old content alive and active.

If you are referring to normal mode raids, then I disagree with the notion of keeping old content alive and active, not many groups do synced min Ilvl on those contents and the game doesn't default that.

Eureka syncs you anyways.

Forced syncing is probably what you are aiming for I guess.

The content that is most prevalent for being old, and is kept alive and kicking are the ultimate's, some are forced sync but its done at will.

Outside that I need you to tell me whats actually positively alive and kicking, if you have played for 10 years I assure you your mind about that will change.

[Swordsman]

Don't bother to waste your breath, Reap00 is probably the clearest example of a "WoW bad, XIV good" zealot you'll ever find.

Lmao, I can't even see what that guy is saying because I have him blocked. I wonder what he said this time.

Ahaha, very based meme.

[AlucaDragonheart]

They don't have one of the largest mmo's due to the incompetent perverts at Blizzard right now. All of the people that created the version of WoW people love left long ago. You give them another chance. I wouldn't give them another chance if they were the last dev left on the planet.

Yes, because Square Enix are the paragons of morality.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm sure they're watching. But hopefully they don't jump the gun and go all in just because a competitor is doing something. Not everything a competitor does ends up resonating with their player base in the long run (Torghast comes to mind).

The FFXIV player base also has different expectations from the WoW player base. Even if something works well for WoW, it may not work well here.

This is true for new features but being able to have Trusts fill in for missing roles is something that has been asked for here in XIV since the whole system was first implemented.

[Merrigan]

I think you are going to have to define what you mean by keeping old content alive and active.

If you are referring to normal mode raids, then I disagree with the notion of keeping old content alive and active, not many groups do synced min Ilvl on those contents and the game doesn't default that.

Eureka syncs you anyways.

Forced syncing is probably what you are aiming for I guess.

The content that is most prevalent for being old, and is kept alive and kicking are the ultimate's, some are forced sync but its done at will.

Outside that I need you to tell me whats actually positively alive and kicking, if you have played for 10 years I assure you your mind about that will change.

Alive : possible to be done when you want to.

And that's not possible in most MMORPG I've played. In ff ? Yes.

[raelgun]

Alive : possible to be done when you want to.

And that's not possible in most MMORPG I've played. In ff ? Yes.

You will need to iterate more on when you want to.

You can surely list a PF for example Eden 6 savage synced and min ilvl, but good luck finding others that want to do that, thats not active or alive, but you can set it up to do so.

The only synced content that people do is ultimate's and eureka by forced design ( same extent applies to Bojza ).

If you are talking about the roulettes then no, just no.

Doing the easy modes isn't relevant, people only do the roulettes because of the rewards.

[Nizzi]

I left WoW over 10 years ago and nothing that repulsive corporation throws together would ever get me to come back. They are the true bottom of the barrel.

If this had come out while I was still playing WoW, I'd be interested, perhaps even excited about it. Would it have kept me from leaving? Good question - I don't really know, TBH.

But it won't bring me back.

That's really crazy but I can't find where anyone asked, only the OP asking if we could get multiplayer trusts in XIV? Can either one of you help me find where the OP asked you what would bring you back to WoW?